Cleave is huge and essential if you want a truly optimal DPS slash damage build. People go Hoplite C2 just for Spear Lunge and 50 critrate - Cleave is a better version of Spear Lunge and gives 50 critrate on its own, and only requires C1.
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Thank you all. That was a lot of GOOD information!
Now I am clarified about these two. Thank you.
Itâs not about Meta build, itâs common sense. If you have a skill that grants 50% bonus damage to your slash type skills for 5 seconds, why wouldnât you take it if youâre picking Doppelsoeldner or even Highlander3 (Vertical Slash-Skyliner-Crosscut).
But sure, pick Hoplite, Rodelero, Squire, Corsair, i donât really care, iâm just pointing it out.
anyone want to post a video/screenshot of vslash in action?
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i can test it, and tell the dmg o.O
Do you guys think it might be worth to max Cartar Stroke now? It should take about 3 seconds to fully charge it now, shouldnât it?
Itâs 3.75 seconds now and no, donât max it. Thatâs still a very long time to charge a melee skill and you only need Cartar lvl3 to get the scaling attribute.
- Looks like some people might be misunderstanding how Defense works in relation to Skull Swing.
Every point of defense the enemy has is basically the same as -1 atk for your character. If you have 800 atk and your opponent has 600 def, you are essentially attacking with 200 atk worth of damage, rather than that 600 def being a flat increase to your damage dealt.
Take for example:
Moulinet lvl 1 >>> 5 hits, 151 base atk.
Assume you have 800 patk (str + weapon)
Assume you have 50% attribute
Vs Archmage Fire Lord >>>> 322 def, cloth armor (lvl 190 dungeon)
Without Skull Swing:
(800+151-322) *1.5 (attribute) *1.5 (slash bonus) *5 = 7075~ damage (1415 per hit)
With Skull Swing:
(800+151) *1.5 *1.5 *5 = 10700~ damage (2140 per hit)
Damage increase of 51.24%~.
So YES, Skull Swing does help your damage immensely vs high def targets (dependent on your patk and skill atk as well, of course).
- As far as Iâm aware, the Slash Debuff stacks multiplicatively with cloth bonus, so while youâre doing 50% more damage vs leather and plate, youâre only doing 33.33% more on cloth targets, which is still good.
Using the above example:
VS Cloth
No Cleave:
(800+151-322) *1.5 (attribute) *1.5 (slash bonus) *5 = 7075~ damage (1415 per hit)
With Cleave:
(800+151-322) *1.5 (attribute) *2 (slash bonus + cleave debuff) *5 = 9435~ damage (1887 per hit)
VS Leather
No Cleave:
(800+151-322) *1.5 (attribute) *1 (neutral) *5 = 4720~ damage (944 per hit)
With Cleave:
(800+151-322) *1.5 (attribute) *1.5 (cleave debuff) *5 = 7075~ damage (1415 per hit)
VS Plate/Ghost
No Cleave:
(800+151-322) *1.5 (attribute) *0.5 (slash penalty) *5 = 2360~ damage (472 per hit)
With Cleave:
(800+151-322) *1.5 (attribute) *0.75 (slash penalty + cleave debuff) *5 = 3540~ damage (708 per hit)
tl;dr: You do more damage with Skull Swing/Cleave. Optimal DPS = HL3+Barb1.
⌠about the âcommon senseâ.
Youâr clear and we already understand how wonderful this debuff is, but the point I think you already know is: me and others are happy with âlow damageâ.
You know guys, thereâs other styles and even with this debuff we still worse than Archers and Wizards against World Bosses!
I saw this same movie when it had Aggressor, when everybody takes Peltasta for Swash Buckling and now a recent buff is forcing all HLs to spend a whole Rank for a new one thing. Why? Because it deals more damage, not because you like it.
Who will be the next? Rodelero as a ânew metaâ?
Yes! I took Rodelero instead of Barb so I can knock people down from safety zone. RodelDoppel for the win!
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well i guess it is up to you, i have a full circle p1 h3 dopel 2. I should have been more prudent on the future patches. those slash debuffs really makes your attack strong multiplicatively because its 50%.
Well, I like PvP, so I chose Corsair and saw how useful they are in PvE. Whatâs your favorite color?
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I think is better think on the Debuff of Restrain that give 20% chance of stag enemies on normal attacks. Who dont want to stag someone then engage with cyclone? But yet, 20% = too much tries before enemy gets stagged. And not to mention the buff of defenses each class has.
All hail the new prophet
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/r8-skills-translation/321914?u=namewasveryshort
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