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Highlander C2 skyliner 0 CD

this is broken o.o what do you guys think

Yup, totally OP. Totally abusing it.

Sorta yes sorta no.

While it does a lot of damage to bleeding target, on non-bleeding target it’s damage is ā€˜ok’
They upped the SP cost by about 50% and nerfed the skill damage by 150 at lv 10 so you burn through your SP very quickly (not Oblique Shot quick, but still)

And from what I heard Swordsman is already losing to Cleric/Wiz on world boss damage anyway so this is just giving them something to keep up.

Is it strong? Yes
Is it OP? Not really. OP would be if it’s above others but Highlander was lacking, also they nerfed Cartar.

how did they nerf cartar?

I think the full detail is still being investigated, but the ā€˜fix’ to Cartar’s knockback attribute seem to make it no longer work on enemies that’s immune to knockback.

So no more extra damage on bosses.

full spirit highlander incoming

I want a vĆ­deo on that, was hoping to find one on this thread :frowning:

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It doesn’t feel that strong to me, to be honest.

Yes it might be not strong but it encourages build diversity isn’t that why u play tos? If not then the whole tree of swordy would be stuck with with the usual strength dexterity all the way rofl

Well, here’s an update.

On any enemy that can bleed, it’s the best DPS that I’ve seen out of the entire swordie tree. If you’re going for DPS, there’s little reason to not take at least highlander c2 now. I went highlander c2 hoplite c2, and there’s almost no reason for me to even use any of my hoplite skills ( even stabbing doesn’t out DPS it ). I literally might as well use 2H swords over spears because I can just cross cut bleed + skyliner spam and get the best DPS. Even against plate monsters ( slash reduced, neutral to pierce ), or leather monsters ( weak to my hoplite pierce moves ), skyliner spam is better DPS.

The only caveat is if it can’t bleed, and it’s leather. On a leather mob that can’t bleed, I will do more DPS with stabbing. But stabbing is a 40 sec CD, and once it’s done, what am I doing? Skyliner spam. There’s not even a reason to use Pierce ( the skill ), as with the windup time and animation, I could’ve used 3 skyliners and that’s more DPS even on a large target ( 3x/4x hits from Pierce ).

This kind of sucks for me, as my 2 ranks in hoplite give me nothing in terms of DPS ( I get finestra, but the difference between using a 1h spear and a 2h sword, and the +50% crit attack I’d get from using a 2H sword kind of outweigh that ).

It kind of destroys any diversity in DPS builds, but I think it’s ripe for a nerf. I wouldn’t trust a build relying on skyliner atm.

we neeed to check if its that OP later on, i know stabbing gets REALLY strong when u are high lvl (and kinda suck low lvl). like barbs, they are monster early on, but later…

http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1450955778682.webm

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lvl 100 is early on, a lot of dps classes can kill bosses in less than 1 minute too when they are like 185-200
theres a video somewhere of a cryo one shotting a boss with ice wall

Does not seem OP for me… (But I didn’t even play so i’m just saying my opnion)

Cartar Stroke seems to be weak. I read about a kind of nerf in Colision Damage, something like that, or maybe was just the armor type.

Yes, it kind of got a nerf. BTW, the Highlander in the video is around lvl 100, if Im not mistaken.

It didn’t get a ā€œnerfā€ so much as a ā€œfixā€. It wasn’t supposed to be doing such ludicrous amounts of damage against un-knockable foes.

Yeah, unfortunately I agree XD

Yeah, that highlander isn’t even critting, and is definitely not too much higher lvl than the necroventer.

@Lenny find me someone in the kobt that is 185-200 right now.

unless bosses got super strong now, i think we can use the same info from the last CBT for some classes, like hoplite (hoplite skills are the same and str hoplite could kill bosses in less than a min in the last CBT)
i know other classes could do it, but i only played swordsman to high lvl, and i didnt see any nerf in any class