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•Help with pre doppelc3 build[patch ktos 10/11]

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

Hey guys, i’m backing to play tos now and i wanna maximize my damage with swordsman@pve, i read some stuff and i went level a peltc1 barb c3 doppel c3 that seems good now, and then i saw the buffs from 10/11.

Consider this notes:

Cartar Stroke

[ NOV 10 ]2
Enemies knocked down take double damage? (needs confirmation)
[Cartar Stroke: Quick Charge] attribute has been added
○ Cuts the charging time by half
○ Cooldown +2 seconds
○ Requires Highlander Circle 1

Moulinet

[ NOV 10 ]2
Increases the casting animation of Moulinet (time cut it half)
Moulinet now deals double damage to targets under the [Crown] debuff

You guys think smtg like this will be good as soon as the patch comes?

Thanks.

#2

is enemies currently knocked down when you get them with Cartar Stroke, not the ones knocked down by Cartar Stroke

With that, you probably would want to get Bash 3 or Wagon Wheel 1 for knock downs. Also, I still wouldn’t max out Cartar Stroke

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#3

Thanks for the answer, i didn’t realize that i need to get bash 3 to get the knockdown attribute lul, i’ll get probably 1 point in wagon wheel and thinking about lvl 10 or so cartar, maximize skyliner probably,
cartar base damage skill doesn’t scale well with late game weapons/stats/cards etc?
otherwise will be probably better to get barb 2 at least, but idk if is worthy to loose armor break from highc3, so many doubts :l

#4

These changes do not really change the good builds. Fact is that you choose Highlander 3 if you want to play Highlander. If you want to play Doppel you go for Swordman 3.
Barb is the way if you want a Doppel but do not have the money to fund him.

#5

so people going barb is poor mans build? or its their 1st char???

#6

Most people go for Barb because they saw it in some meta golem guide. Fact is it is poor man’s mode because if the screen is filled with monsters you press Warcry and get 770 physical attack for free.
The Rest of the Barb skills are trash. Pouncing is decent but just like all of the Doppel skills tends to get useless the moment Pain Barrier runs out.

#7

so do you suggest going sw3 now with the buffs? I can fund my own, I’m pretty new to the sw tree, still need to read about few guides tho, so people go barb3 just for one skill?

#8

Even before the buffs.

The worst thing for Doppel is to get interrupted during skills and combos, especially after Zwerchhau + Cleave setup and while Cyclon.
If you get pushed back while Cycloning your damage is gone, well that’s bad.
Pain Barrier gets rid of these Problems. The Restraint CC is also very welcomed.

People mainly go Barb3 because that was in some shitty guide somewhere and as most people did it all other golems just copied it. Warcry is indeed good against a lot of targets but even the best buff is useless if your skills get canceled.

#9

Ic, but i dun think 34sec pain barrier/39cd worth loose debuffs/buffs/dmg from high/barb, the only thing good in c3 sword is the pain barrier, i understand the need of being able to combo/hit w/o being interrupted, but still, if u manage to not tankspank spamming things and use the other 20seconds with pain barrier on cd walking around bosses/dodging with movement,you’ll gain buffs/debuffs/damage won’t ya? i think is worthy.

And cartar stroke will be able to get higher levels with the atribute, idk about the dmg base scale from higher levels late game, but i think will be significant, armor break for c3 as well, and warcry for c1 barb, will combo with doppel.

#10

i have a c3 barb, i THINK barb skills will be kinda obsolete with fencer/doppel/higher tiers classes, but there are good things, like stuns,crit buff from cleave and buffs aka warcry/frenzy, i would always get warcry over frenzy if i had to chose 1 tho, the thing is, highlander c3 have armor break which improves all damage dat u do, so is not going to be obsolate at all, idk about the cartar stroke dmg scale and the buff in molinet doubling his dmg, i like cartar and highlander skills, wish they work good at high end content, or at least synergy well with later ranks.

#11

You have Pelt C1.
Better make a Fencer.

MAybe i´m Hardcore with this but Pelt dont work well with Doppel.

#12

i have pelt c1 just in my first toon, the first toon is pelt c1 barb 3 fencer 3, but i want to play with high, and i’m leveling another, high c3 atm, going to barb c1 and doppel cr, if anyone can tell me how good cartar strike scales late game and how poor moulinete dmg ATM is i aprecciate it, and wich pve build u guys think it’s better:

S1+P1+B3+F3 OR S1+H3+B1+D3

Thanks :smiley:

#13

Barb’s AoE thru Seism and Pouncing covers Fencer’s lack of AoE capacity, they also can keep DPS going on EpeeGarde downtime, Cleave also provide 5sec*overheat of +50crit which is essential for Fencers.
As for Dopps both Warcry and Frenzy(albeit annoying to stack) will scale with DOV which can easily get 2k++PAtk, and well Cleave’s 3 overheat low cd plays a regular role in boosting Dopp’s primary damage type ‘Slash’.

Altho I do agree that Barb’s PAtk buff do fall short due to the game’s absurd power spike in later levels, but that is mostly due to IMC’s incompetence in regards to class/skill balancing.

#14

Thanks for the explanation, but i’m almost going with this build tho:

Assuming that the patch with the buffs in cartar/moulinete come through.

#15

IMO, you just can leave concen at 0, didnt scale well at high lv tho.
and at dopp 3, i prefer redel over zucken.
you just can take all redel-zucken-zornhau to lv 6, take the attributes and then reset to 1-1-1 with that new attributes.
consider 1 point on punish, it will gives you a nice combo with bash + punish + cartar.

ive got 280 dopp c2 with high 3 barb 1 build. and here’s my final build on dopp c3.

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#16

Nice build, i agree about concen late game, but can u elaborate the punish+knockdown attribute combo please? and this reset thing still works? imc won’t nerf it?

#17

If skill reset after buying attributes still works it will be bug abuse and I advice not to do that.
Earthquake Attributes makes Punish hit for a big AoE and gives it a 3-Hit. And it seems like there is some kind of echo effect depending on AoE Ratio as you can explode a mob group that is linked and hanged with Punish.

Also that Highlander 3 Build is complete trash and clearly shows that the one who made it has no clue about highlander and also probably hasn’t played Highlander either. X)

#18

who’s are you pointed to?

#19

Your’s of course. Either you are trolling or you have no clue about what you do.

#20

ive got 280 dopp c2 with dex build. IDK what are you talkin about.