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[Help] Doppel C3

Class and Rank Swordsman
#41

Firstly the only thing scale better in high is skyliner

But with 15 sec cd its just not enough (if you play high3 you will know your skill is out of rotation tooooo fast)

Barb you said its not scaling well is only half truth

Seism got 1.7dmg multiply if you dont know

Helm chopper also 2 hit skill

Cleave to stun is 2.5 dmg multiply and also bonus slashdmg and crit

Pouncing do 30 hit at full duration

Skyliner do better scaling dmg due to bleed bonus (2 multiply and 2 hit with 3 overheat) but thats its the rest of his arsenal is mediocre(except cartar stroke)

I dont even count the free possible 530 dmg from warcry and frenzy which also boosting dov dmg

I dont really want to break hope to high3 build but with skyliner nerf its just fall down damn hard

If i make new char high2barb2 is looking good though

#42

Yeah i think iā€™ll go high 2 barb 2, 1 more aoe and warcry. I donā€™t think 1 rank for 1 debuff is worthy (high 3), as warcry is a little defense debuff as well, still buff me and iā€™ll have seism.

#43

High 2 Barb 2 doesnā€™t have Pouncing, which is a big drawback.
Pouncingā€™s cooldown has been reduced too, it actually does quite a lot of damage now. Keep this in mind if youā€™re planning your build.

#44

Iā€™m arealdy highlander 2 xD but iā€™m trading pouncing for skyliner + crosscut + moulinet, i think itā€™s a good deal.

#45

Itā€™s fine to reroll that early still, Iā€™ll probably make another barb myself but Iā€™m not sure if itā€™s
Pel>Barb3>Fencer3
HL>barb3>doppel3

yes I have both fencer 2 and doppel 2 and Iā€™m still not bored playing around with builds revolving barb

#46

Barb 3 also give you attribute in warcry and frenzy though

But as you say the skyliner,crosscut and higher crossguard should weight its out

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#47

sorry for the late never at my pc (til now)

This is my current build [Do note thats i use reskill potion so some is crafty]

Swordman

  • I leave bash at lv1 since I reskill and bash knockback attribute remain

High

  • Wagon wheel 1 is just for pvp purpose (seriously rare to use)

Barb

  • I leave helm and cleave only lv 5 for saving sp and honestly its not the best skill to deal damage , you can keep pouncing lv1 and the rest to cleave/helm though

Doppel

  • I want to invest in zucken more but the sp cost is stupify me and i just cant accept its
#48

how much DPS losses going pelt1? on b3-dop2 build?

#49

for real ?
I thought they only buff the hitbox, increased the speed and give some attributes.
how long is the new cd ?

#50

not really much

what you miss alot crossguard and cartar stroke which really good filler skill

crit attk from attribute is around 300 crit attk which not alot even you stack multiplier in the skill (heck even on cloth armor,50 attribute and bonus dmg slash damage is improving crit damage around 1000 dmg every crit which is not thats impressive)

#51

I canā€™t find the patch but itā€™s been reduced down to around 40 secs if I remember correctly. This was a while back though, not something recent.

It also received other buffs as well, have a look here: [ Swordsman Changelog ] Swordsman changes from kTOS and iTOS

#52

What I said above, theres no reduced cd at all.
maybe you confused pouncing with Rush ?

#53

Maybeā€¦I really canā€™t remember, too many patches. Need someone to confirm this.

#54

How about max cleave And helm chopper (lvl15) And warcry/frenzy at lvl 0 VS lvl 10 ??

#55

Any of you guys have a video of this buffed pouncing version? I really hate the hitbox of the old one. BTW, you really think should I reroll from high 2 - barb 2 to highlander 1 + barb 3?

#56

Wait for the Swordman buff next maintenance, pretty much every swordman class will get buffed, you might change your mind on your build.

#57

@Lostac: That sounds nice. Btw, whatā€™s the point of Sword 3? More Pain Barrier, Double Slash and Restrain?

Iā€™m trying to brainstorm and theory craft a Doppel 3 build. I know for sure I wonā€™t level it till rank 8 is out though:

Sword>Pelt>Barb 3>Doppel 3

Pelt for Swash and Guardian since I like them. Barb for Cleave bonus. Straight to Barb 3 since I have no idea how to include Corsair 2 into this build. Itā€™s IMPOSSIBRU.

Still have no idea about stat points though

#58

even without the bleed proc, you have 3 overheat with a x2 skills, that alone is more than 1.7 on a 15 sec for alot, crosscut is a x2 too and 2 overheat, molinet is a x5 skills with a long cd but with more crit, cartar is a x4 with 2 overheat and skull swing is your future proof dmg, at a single target you canā€™t compete against a highlander 3 as a barbarian 3 in a pure dps race, he will reckt you (not even with the 50% slash increase dmg that a lot of you think is such a great buff, considering the animations delaysā€¦ is a debuff ā€¦ahem ā€œdispellerā€ and with a poor aoe ratio, ok it will do a lot of dmg on a stuned target but for pve isnt that great) and pouncingā€¦ is just a great aoe but the cd kills itā€¦plus the knockdown interrupā€¦ i will rather use pain barrier on a cyclone that on pouncing.

#59

I saw this posted on this thread : [Guide] Top DPS Dual-Stance Fencer

Pouncing deals really massive damage. Specially on bosses that isnā€™t passable (some boss you could just walk through them). With the speed buff its getting its going to get better. The only issue I see with them is the questionable hit box when mobbing and the long cd. But Iā€™m still glad I went Barb3 instead of High3. Without Bleeding, Highlanders damage really fall bad.

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#60

as i alrdy said if you playing high 3 you will find out thats your skill rotation is run off too fast

after you throw out skills you got nothing to throw again (crosscut/moulinet got too long cd)

crosscut and skyliner is great skill thats do alot damage but after use all of its, you got no card left

this prob will got a little solve when you are doppel but before its the lack of aoe and skill rotation is making high3 bad at pve (barb got pouncing and more skill rotation than high)

the only thing i feel high3 is better than barb is when fighting bleedable boss