On paper sure, but QS and Wugu require waaaaaay different gear and stats, to the point where optimizing 1 penalizes the other.
How different would that be?
Stats-wise: According to the DEX vs STR spreadsheet, STR>DEX in late game. And as an archer, youâd need DEX anyway. Was thinking something like 2 STR; 1 DEX + 50-100 CON
Gears: At ~200, youâd be going for (insert preferred xbow) + Manamana and a 2h either way. Why not just put Viper in as the 2h, and youâre done?
GC/DGC grants +2 to QS skills. Thatâs 80% damage lost on [running shot] if you are not using it (not to mention 4 secs more duration on [running shot] lost). That is huge. On the other hand, if you do use GC (below 220) your poisons suffer because of the naturally lower ATK of GC (itâs a lv 40 weapon). Wugus want/need as much raw atk as they can get.
I said before that I understand pairing A3 with W3. This is because A3 has no specific weapon it needs.
As for stats. Every point in DEX is âwastedâ on a W because it is confirmed that poisons donât crit. On the other hand, QS wants DEX because hits from [running shot] are confirmed to be able to crit. [swift step] from the A2 means you donât need as much raw DEX for a decent crit rate (meaning more points can go into STR).
The moment you mentioned A3, I just lost it. I have no love for Archer 2/3, except for the lovely Mutli-Shot. Right. Back on topic.
Is that +2 level really that good? Has anyone confirmed that the +2 level is better than having a good xbow before the switch to DGC? If it is, a QS/Wugu can switch to a 2h when using Wugu skills then switching back to xbow, especially since they fixed the part where your poison dmg follows your current wep, instead of initial wep.
Also, Wuguâs skills are highly situational. After 170, thereâs just not that much chance to use AoE skills until Alemeth/Evac since a lot of the mobs will either be too far apart to make it worth or flying. The poison skills would be mainly for bossing and tanky mobs.
If you feel that Ar2 is essential to a QS build, then going Ar2/QS3/Wugu2 would solve all your issues with the QS3/Wugu3 build. You donât really have to go Wugu3 unless youâre a hardcore poison lover.
What ever your issues with A2/3 are irrelevant. The question was âwhy QS3 (with wugu)â.
Which I addressed, again, in the middle section. Do you have to be so hostile with the âWhateverâ? The Archer 2/3 thing was just a side comment on your recommendation on Ar3 and Swift Stepsâs compatibility.
- You chose to add in what ever issues you had with A2/3 into a question on âwhy QS3 with Wâ
- You answered with a question. Meaning you donât even know about the loss in DPS by not using QC (pre 220) with [running shot].
- Your last paragraph basically explains why you suggest QS3 with W. Itâs because youâre making a QS build and not a W build. Not really the right thread for your QS build. This is a W thread.
- A2/3 wasnât a recommendation. If you look at the posts before mine, @Matsuharu and @yurichalps were talking about QS3 or A3 before going W. My post opened with âA3 I can understand. But why QS3?â
As for the reply that actually answers the question âW skills snapshot current weapon stats for damageâ. Thank you for that. [running shot] doesnât snapshot (you lose the 80% damage) so I have no reason to think W skills would. Iâll need someone to verify that, but thank you none the less.
I see. But can a R2 > W deal decent damage compared to an A3 > W? Or it looses too much DPS? Barrage + Steady Aim looks like it fits well in the skill rotation with Wugushiâs skill, seen that you donât need necessarily the crit from the Swift Step from A2/A3.
If youâre going R2 you will want at least 1 of your ranks as Ro for [feint] to double [barrage] damage. And if you are going Ro then [sneak hit] gives you 70% flat crit chance (not crit rate) allowing you to go pure STR which W wants.
This thread thread discusses the pros and cons of R1 vs R2/3 if you are interested.
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Some clarification about.
While the focus of this post is centered on wugushi, i wouldnt like for it to be limited just to it, since wugushi are at most 3/7 classes of the ones you can currently have, and since the game works like that i think it more productive to read about some actual experience about how this class works with other classes, builds, focus, playstyles, etc.
Want wugushi as a sub class? thats fine you know you can make it stronger with elemental damage but it wont be as strong as full obviously.
Want wugushi as a main class? thats also fine, but mind that this class has enourmus CD with no overheats.
I would not like also mere theorycrafting because the is still much uncertainty to make that usefull.
Just leave your experiences so we can figure the mechanics, pros and cons and decide for ourselves :3
ill be updating some info since im now C2 + some cool stuff iâve gathered on this post
I am A1>R3>W2 ATM with a focus in DEX. what i can say is that as find this build quite strong for me.
Since im not totally neglecting STR and i can compensate the STR im not using with Viperâs Elemental Dmg. This allows me to have high critical on Ranger skills wich also deal some serious damage and complements wugushi lack of AoE and spammable skills, making my chacter more balanced.
probably i will go archer2 next circle so i can depend less on Dex and get more str for all skills. About ranger, either go C3 or keep it at C1, C2 doesnt help too much.
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Sorry, I donât know if someone did this already but, can someone who is A3>W confirm if the Bonus dmg from Kneeling Shot applies to Wâs poisons and initial damage?
for what i could read it does increase the DoT, but since kneeling shot doesnt allow you to use other skills you need to apply poisons first then use kneeling shot
Oh, really? You can only auto attack when using it? Thatâs lame then.
-squints- This thing is going more and more hostile, so thisâll be the last Iâll reply here before it derails the thread.
1, 3 & 4. You mentioned how Ar3 would be a better combination and used that to exemplify why QS3 would be a bad choice. That is the sole reason I brought in Ar2/3 to my reply. Without that, I wouldnât have cared because, in the end, my reply was to answer your (perhaps rhetorical, now that I look back) question âwhy QS/Wuguâ and not âwhy QS/Wugu and not Ar/Wuguâ.
In my middle section, I focused mainly on the compatibility of the skills and the gears. You asked âwhy QS/Wuguâ, questioning the compatibility between both. A QS/Wugu build is QS + Wugu, not QS only nor solely Wugu. Therefore, to answer that question, one would need to examine both classes as the main aspects of the build. Wuguâs skill was not really focused on because, as you love to tell me, this is about Wugu. Anyone who has read til here would have known most of Wuguâs skills inside and out.
- You also mentioned that gear-wise and stat-wise, the two classes are opposite ends of the spectrum. Thatâs the reason for the questions. The reason for asking is simple: without questions, how would answers be given? How do you write an essay or debate? By questioning and answering, exchanging info the other may not have. This is a Wugu thread, as such, the questions are important since youâre the âexpertâ on QS between the two of us. As per my first paragraph, I only aimed to answer your post/question on âwhy QS/Wuguâ, not anyone elseâs questions.
Iâve written numerous possible replies but I think theyâll just add fuel to the fire. Thank you for not answering my questions and telling me this thread is now not worth keeping an eye on since some of the frequent repliers are all too keen on nitpicking and not answering the questions that might suggest the opposite of their arguments.
Just to add to the conversation, I think QS3 can work great with Wugushi because:
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You can cast RS with GC and get +4s on the duration and swap weapons. Your bonus dmg will âonlyâ be 200% when you swap, but the weapon dmg will eventually make up for it, specially if you havenât upgraded your GC a lot (like, at least +10);
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Dex isnât really the main focus for a QS, if you check the main thread for A2>QS3 you will se calculations (a lot of calculations) that prove that STR is superior with just enough Dex to get a decent crit rate paired with Swift Stepâs critical attribute (something like 80~120 dex). Dex is only the supperior attribute when you get into the R7 classes dmg calculation because of the freaking insane base dmg of the spells.
Please keep the topic on a good vibe 
we all have our own opinions and no one has the right to shut down someone else, say what you have to say but donât be that guy everyone think is an assâŚ
with that said, i just classed into W1 after QS3 so iâm testing it too ^^ i think that going xbow instead of the higher bow dmg isnât that much of a loss damage, there is didel grand cross that gives +2 quarrel shooter skills and that is lv220 so you donât have to keep a grand cross lv40 forever, i think that in the end no one would use a lv40 weapon over a lv220++ weap even if grand cross gives +2 running shot and so on. donât get me wrong, grand cross is great and iâm using it but every QS knows that sooner or later(focus on later) he will have to grind for a didel grand cross or another end-game xbow
not to mention that QS3 can work perfectly fine even with bow since his main skills are running shot/pavise/caltrops and you can use them with any weapon i think, you only lose rapid fire/teardown/stone shot and letâs be real they arenât such great skills
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What about Wugu with Sapper ?
havenât tested, but iâve heard that it was a good combination since it lets you more easily focus on STR wich is usefull for both
so IF we were to do QS3 and WUGU which weapon do you think we should use while doing our poison damage?? I believe that qs3 with wugu is all about weapon swapping which freezes our screen, do we use bow or another xbow for the poison damage?