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Guide to Fencer / Doppel / Bullet Marker [PVE]

Class and Rank Swordsman
#5203

That doppel damage was really unfair. billions of aoe damage AND single target to the point of being stronger than fencer/fletcher mergen at the same time and futureproof as ■■■■ since deeds 15 + transcendence will never fall. It was removed for good. With a new Rapier coming, I don’t mind a epee garde nerf too. Or maybe they will just give a new rapier without the +2 to skills thing and remove the epee garde snapshot bug (like what happens to running shot).

Also, is two handed swords even worth anymore? Five hammer seems good to use up to 315 now (except of course if you really want to use redel/zucken etc before r8 attributes)

hl/barb/doppel 1 skills have no weapon restrictions

#5204

Check the video I just posted to reply on ya

I’m using Nulis, which is basically a better 5 Hammer.

Now 2h attribute from HL + Yellow gems =??? (epee garde alpha ver)

#5205

Oh I checked the video but I didn’t gave much attention to the aoe ratio part because truffles are small and etc, but you’re right, yellow gems + hl attribute is more than worth

But Nulis price is very high here… haha

I was thinking about a Primaluce too, 4 slots, 4 aoe ratio…

https://tos.neet.tv/items/122107

Edit: I ■■■■■■ up the swords. That one has just two slots.

That one here, collecture

https://tos.neet.tv/items/122104

seems decent too!

#5206

yep, that’s why I included some corpse flowers along with truffs

and yes, I did spend big on my nulis, lol

IIRC Didel Colossus and primaluce only have 2 slots

#5207

i do find unfair the hot fix to cyclone, since the only worth skill or attribute that came with r8 doppel its earthquake, since my crosscut+skylinear do almost twice the dmg of redel with attributes+ being a lot cheaper and with the upcoming molinet… is just stupid having skills from a r2-r3 class do more dmg than your r7-r8 skills with those expensive attributes, but doppel without cyclone cannot compete not even against a dragoon, but funny that you mention mergen/fletcher since their dps is quite low atm, hakka fletcher provides better single target, and regarding to fencer, with the update red gems i find fencer too op, since they can have a heacy increase in p.attack dealing a ■■■■ load of dmg without shorts coming from doppel (0 def), now fencer will be the king followed by dragoons since doppel will be not able to compete against them as is now.

#5208

Since it was clearly a bug because no other skill can add hit with aspd + AA.
Unfair was they give a 45 CD to epee(was 0 CD and DoV is uptime) and took away the 10 Target from Flash. Flash even if you have 100 AoE AR, you will still hit 3 mobs and no attribute.

#5209

@Lostac @Kascly

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#5210

When in iToS some one will hit that grace…
120 days doing ET is quite annoying.

#5211

lol nope never gonna happen to me

#5212

Same, lul. I gave up a long time ago.

#5213

I almost get my fencer 1 and i have some question about skills

What skill is the Most powerfull from every circle? why all fencer want to have a venier? only cos give 2 level to fencer? I mean thats 2 level are worth untill if u can’t get a nice damage with that rápier? ( i see some favor fencer 3 with venier trascended and its look like a wasted of shards)

#5214

Venier increases Epee Garde multiplier

also base damage per level on c3 skills are high

you can easily cap au fer and balestra

#5215

Nice! Finally a Lolorapier.

#5216

how come epee having cd is unfair since it doens’t have any drawbacks like DOV wich is stacking 15 hits, each time i reset my DOV i need to charge those 15 stacks again with the plus of having 0 def wich can kill me almost 100% sure.

#5217

Many buffs don’t have drawbacks so is unfair 9 seconds downtime to do any dps with no epee.

Anyway, was only a bug fixed, deal with it or quit.

#5218

With the list of (most recent) changes with classes and skills, is Sw3>Pel>Cor>Fen3 still good?

(i don’t have much experience with the swordsman class, as i currently have only one swordsman in my lodge, who is a hoplite)

#5219

I believe so

the recent barb buffs were more for doppels than fencers.

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#5220

Yo pro fencers, i have a question that will clear my doubt. I have still been levelling my fencer slowly cos its not my main so i have not finalized my decision till now.

High lvl fencer especially c3 has many skills to spam which means high mana-cost and no time to use other skills. Also many fencer skills boost only [pierce] dmg and those pierce skills have high base dmg.
So question is when u encounter a cloth mob which your [pierce] suffers penalty, will you still try to use [slash] skills? Or will you still use those [pierce] skills because they get boosted by epee guard and some other fencer skills and they have higher base dmg than say… Dust devil, double slash etc.

The reason i ask this is, if at high lvl you wont bother using those slash skills then barb1 is pointless and only useful if rank9 brings slash skills.

#5221

yes, that’s the point of taking barb, this is why corsair c1 is the best atm but that changes if we get a nice slash attack on r9

yes, we force pierce attacks on cloth as long as epee garde is up. my cleave+lunge > flanconnade/dust devil is still strong though

#5222

Hey bro, thanks for replying again. I guess u got my point right? So you still force pierce skills on those cloth mobs because they still do more dmg than trying to use slash against them?

It’s just like my dragoon, at r8 i would rather serpentine into dethrone on cloth enemies than try to counter their armor type with a lower lvl slash skill.

lets forget bout r9 first. For current lvl, i was having doubts if it wil even be worth it for me to : cleave>lunge>slash skill on a cloth mob. I know now pelt cors is the meta, but im not sure if i can explore either: pelt barb or barb cors. This is all for sw3 fencer.