I wasn’t. Most Fencers I’ve known do use Prep in set up, but to each their own. You seem to have a very unique play style. If it works, work it.
Delcas already explained why Hexen does better overall unless you’re bossing, which I wouldn’t do on a fencer other than dungeon bosses.
Your composee will barely or even not outdps two hexens in a grinding party where mobs die in 10 seconds due to frost cloud. Grinding parties past Alemeth goes in waves, your hexen is almost always ready for the next wave since you spend time walking after killing, so the cooldown doesn’t matter at all in that case
Composee is mostly for DPS, Hexen is for bursting.
And let’s not talk about SP pots being a problem, it isn’t, I’ve got 3k sp pots myself. But remember that fencer is already an expensive class to play, so spamming sp potions isn’t really attractive for everyone, specially once you realize that you actually spend more than mages
Also I’ve already mentioned in multiple fencer threads that Composee is a great skill only at the cost of SP, but bursting wise I’d take Hexen any day
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The overwhelming majority of attacks in this game are physical including those of ranged attackers.
Mind you quite a few mobs have both a physical and magical attack, where the magical attack is used less frequently, sometimes its the opposite way. Sometimes mobs have two or more physical attacks with different properties where one attack is Strike type and the other is slash type. Watch their patterns.
Many magical attacks in this game can also be straight out avoided (such as Cockatrice Flame breath, Sockets green aoe pulse, mobs using Ice pike, etc).
Not only are many attacks physical, a handful of attacks in the game can be jumped over. Any attack that can be jumped over also will not hit a sorcerer who is riding their summon.
If someone was anal enough to count I highly doubt Magical heat-seeking projectiles (and magic missile) make up even a third of the attacks in the game that you will have to deal with.
Actively a person should concern themselves with physical protection (while of course having up to date magical defenses) and relying on their supports to directly mitigate or heal magical damage while they at the frontline hold off physical damage via their innate defense, block or evasion, applying CC when applicable and appropriate to help them reduce damage further and create windows of opportunity for even more damage.
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I did just mean mobs though when I stated it, and I find it strange someone doesn’t avoid attacks and lives with that amount of CON with damage taken over time. I find it hard dodging at times at high levels, but if he has such an easy time dodging all “trash mobs”, which of course is easier on anyone with a healer… Hey, what do I know?
I was just trying to give a real comparison for Fencer C2 with Corsair C1 and Corsair C2 with Fencer C1. It was obviously a mistake for me to even try to discuss it out, because I feel so attacked right now. QQ
Anyway I guess I’m done.
Nooo it’s a good discussion still, I think the main reason why people are misunderstanding each other are from “bursting” and “dps overtime”.
Right now I’m good to see discussions going on unlike that person that made me rage before since he didn’t get the point of the topic
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No he didn’t, unless he can provide a video of proof. It pains me to see people are so fixated in their mind of one skill’s superiority without even having tried it or at least provide any form of proof.
In my situation, I rarely use Composee to kill mobs as my build already has stabbing and spear throw for better mob killing. Mind you stabbing cd is comparatively shorter and spear throw is 0 cd.
You are the one who brought up the SP consumption, I am just telling you, it’s not that bad or as you think it is. SP pots as a consumable are meant to be consumed, otherwise it wouldn’t exist in the game. You can have 1 million SP pots but it does not mean you shouldn’t be smart and SP efficient on your skill rotation and such. Properly manage your SP only saves you money.
Given if this is not a fencer thread, I would say the same, but to mislead people to not go fencer 2 in exchange of corsair 2 just doesn’t sound right to me.
Yes I brought it up, because I know that not everyone likes to spam SP potions, which I mentioned earlier anyway.
And SP potions are free if you’re doing high level gimmicks, which not everyone has access to yet
Where? About Composee VS Hexen in mob grinding?
Lastly I’m not completely misleading people to not go fencer 2, I’ve explained which does better than the other and vice versa, this gives them a choice of either bursting or constant dps, which is why I’ve had 3 builds listed in the guide and videos there include composee spamming on harpeia because people seem to underestimate what it can do as a constant dps skilll
It isn’t just trash mobs. It’s bosses too. Are you at the effective evasion cap? If you aren’t, that could be your problem. I don’t use a shield either and have no issues surviving unless I’m well below the mobs level.
I manually avoid some attacks. It depends on what I’m fighting and if it would hinder my DPS or ability to hold aggro if I step out of the way. (these mostly being the attacks that Delcas mentioned – the magic attacks that are in physical range)
Yes, when you’re grinding, you will have a healer (at least cleric c1) or you do not have an optimal party setup for EXP gain.
I’m also not attacking you. This is a normal discussion for me. Just because I use the word ass and trash doesn’t mean im trying to be rude.
On trash mobs, it’s not even worth discussing. Hexen dropper is better than composee not just because of DPS, but because of its AoE abilities.
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I still wouldn’t mind seeing a full formulated damage comparison, I’m just not able to give it, lol. I also stated in the beginning it comes down to preference, burst VS damage over time. I never stated one or the other was better. Simply that from what I have seen in the past, the consensus was Corsair C2 was a tad more optimal for now.
I call it as I see it. You seemed rude and snippy. Anyway, personalities clash. I’m not going to be rude in kind or anything. That’s just not me.
you should probably get some glasses
It’s because of korean patch anticipation, a 0 CD skyliner boosted even further with the recent buff of it having less animation makes it even better.
Just don’t forget that barbs also got buffed, so I can’t really tell which is better at the moment, but single/less targets wise, highlander would destroy things in korean version.
Most constructive post in the entire thread, lol. It’s called interpretation and yes, personalities do clash. I think no matter what I say at this point though, I’m screwed. ToS is not exactly the most forgiving set of forums I’ve ever been on, and I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised at this point. So as I said, I will bow out gracefully and let the thread stay on topic.
I don’t have any videos of skyliner, but if you are curious, here is updated pouncing:
edit: sry didn’t read well
Since there wasn’t anything in the vid description, is that a level 5 pouncing? or 1 with beefed up attributes
There’s no real way of telling.
The only information I can give is with 50 attributed lv 5 pouncing and 700 max I do around 3.5k crits on standard (not slash weak) mobs.
Person in video has 1.1k max and it looks like that is also standard damage. I would imagine if that’s the case, they have to have level 5 and lv 100 attribute for pouncing.
Seeing how their 130 dungeon gives a lot silver, it’s definitely possible to have high attributes on most of their skills, ohh well.
But that thing is literally a cyclone now.
Yeah we really get the short end of the stick in iTOS when it comes to making silver lol
Who knows what will happen with the repository merge though
Here’s some Swd>Pel>Hop>Hop>Cor>Cor>Fencer videos just to show how it is with weapon swapping:
Evac at Lv.237
Moa Boss
It’s not as versatile as minjuleex’s dual-stance Fencer, but I think it’s a fun build
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It certainly is, but like others, I don’t really find weapon swapping that comfortable. If it was auto like what archers have it might be a different story.
and yes hexen is awesome, his build is actually based on it
You can effectively make it auto. Someone posted a guide in the dual stance fencer thread