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I’m in a bit of an impasse here and would love some help if possible. I have quit a few months ago before the new card and enchant and whatnot systems arrived and even before Rank 8 had been announced. Thing is I already had been leveling a Lvl. 229 Sword 2 > Barbarian 3 > Fencer 2. At the time I thougth “Ya lemme just get that Sw 2 for a few extra PB seconds and a 20% stun/slowdown (which has been improved now apparently).” However now with all the new Circles from rank 8 and cards and all that I am actually considering rerolling for Guardian and Restrain, meaning going into a Sword 3 > Peltasta 1 > Corsair 1 > Fencer x given the fact that C3 on Fencer seems to pull its own weight with piercing skills alone.
Now I could indeed reroll and forget about Warcry/Frenzy/Restrain OR keep my first build which lacks those 18% Evasion and few % Defense but packs a massive punch while buffed. Restrain also leaves me with a few extra room to try and PvP someday without a completely PvP oriented Fencer. So,
Sw 2 > Barb 3 > Fenc 3, which is my current path and packs a hell of a punch
Sw 3 > Pelt 1 > Cors 1 > Fencer 3, which seems to be quite useful in PvP
Sw 1 > Pelt 1 > Barb 3 > Fencer 3, which seems a middle ground with the original’s damage but the lack of restrain altogether
Sorry for the mini wall of text, would apreciate some help if possible
Hi, am going sword3-pelt-x-fencer3.
Just one question…
Is it better to max gung ho or concentrate in swordsman3?
TIA 
Gung ho because scales better.
So get this, i just reached fencer c3
Some things i have noticed.
Yellow gem way better for fencer than red. I now see why. Also, wouldnt putting a red gem on my offhand kind of mess this up?
Also now i see the full potential of SP expenses for fencer. manageable considering the amount of damage i do. my composee hits for 60k. 30k per hit at lv 52 attribute.
Is it worth maxing Composee though? My composee is at lv 10 ( 8 + 2 from veneir) and i can already see that i use more sp faster than my sp pots can recover.
Red gem on off-hand won’t mess it up.
Red gem on off-hand gives physical attack that affects your main weapon.
Red gem on main hand gives only Max attack, you will end up getting fluctuating damage.
Just put enough composee level that your sp pots can handle.
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A random poll about my Venier that hasn’t changed since EA (except for enhancement)
- Change those gems cheapskate!
- Wait for Venier 2.0 that isn’t Lolo/Solmiki
0 voters
Im in the exact same position as u…I got 2 lvl 6 green gems on Venier, and a lvl7 red gem in my Offhand.
Now what im doing in the near future (Thats it as soon as i got my first practonium):
- Change those 2 green gems on Venier for 2 lvl 7 Yellow Ones
- Socket a green lvl 7 gem in my lionhead dagger
I wont change my Karacha with the red gem, cuz its one of my first realy good items i ever got in this game, so im kinda in love with it… 
For ur 2nd answer…I think we´ll go a long way before we get a Venier 2.0 - probably on Rank 9 (If we take the big gap between Grand Cross and Didel Grand Cross as reference?)
I just changed my karacha gem for a level 6 red.
I can afford multiple level 7s but I have many alts to handle so i cant pour it all on one character.
and yes, offhand red is very good (easily allows 1k+ PA w/out trans weap and str)
Changing those 2 Green Ones in Venier will mean a loss in Crit Rate off about 52, not sure if 675 crit rate is enough, tho?
How much is the average crit resistance of monsters u take into account for ur crit chance?
Im still unsure if i wanna stay 700+ crit rate or not, will probably affect if go for red or green one in lionhead dagger.
Whats ur opinion on that?
If you got plans on using green gems, they should always be in main hand.
Red gems on off-hand IMO is the best thing you could have, it’s not a RNG PA like main.
Right now I’m enjoying my crit rate but damage is on the “eh” side with level 3 composee+no yellow/red on main. I haven’t used my skill reset potion yet since my build was designed for R7.
To get actual tests I need a clean venier or yellow/red gemmed one.
My crit chance on the usual things I do is about 80+, non yellow numbers are very rare.
come on lostac you have the resources to afford putting lv 7 gems on your current weapons.
Hmm yeah I guess I’ll change after I see the next batch of KR weapons on their patch.
No new rapier on the next batch means I’ll put dem gems.
(I’m really interested in what IMC would do to “outdo” venier without giving +2)
i put lv 7 yellows on my main. and lv 7 red on my offhand. couldnt be happier with the amount of damage im doing. plus my crit rate is at 590. so with mobs on my same level i do pretty much all yellow. its just that mobs that have pain barrier is a pain.
That helped me realy a lot. If that is the case i´ll go the same way. Aiming for 2 lvl 7 yellows in Main hand and 1 lvl 7 red gem in Off hand.
Yeah those pesky Pain Barrier mobs are a pain. Although im not sure i think it wont sho a yellow number, but still ill get at least the normal crit multiplicator of 1,5 (Not sure if Epee Garde is realy accounted after that, tho)
I should probably test it today
Mobs with pain barrier will screw your epee.
You will not see a yellow number, but you can feel the 1,5x from critical.
their pain barrier only makes you critical into a white damage. but still same dmg as your normal crit. it fcks up epee because epee increases dmg for yellow damage
Alright, so my impression i got was right, thanks for claryfing that 
hello guys… its been a long time since last time i come here… maybe about 4 months? or more…
i think i want to play tree of savior again… but before that need look for new information about fencer… but i have 3k ++ unread post in this forum, n im kinda lazy to read it hahahah,
can someone pls tell me what the newest patch/meta to swordman or fencer?
i still have my sword-pelta-barbar-barbar-crosair-fencer-fencer… is this rank still good? for PVE purpose ofc…