All around, I don’t mind if it ends up at being bad at everything, provided that it can do anything.
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I like Hop2>cor2>dragoon2 and HL3>hop2>dragoon 2.
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You’ve provided me with my 5th venier ty friend
Too late now. As long as it’s faster than doing with the Fencer I don’t mind. I might make A3->S3->Musk later on anyway, to have 2 of these silver making machines.
First things first is to get to 280 with 1 char! I’ve got 200 lv11 Cards with more to come from getting Abby unlocked quests. I’m fighting the urge to use them up to get to 280 asap!
And you, money for my next piece. Spank cha. 
Sw>pelt>hop2>cor>dop>goon. I have one at 250 right now. I’d get Corsair C2 instead of Doppel for more damage. I took Doppel because weapon swap sucks in PvP but in PvE Spear Lunge + Hexen beats Cyclone even against slash weak enemies. Doppel makes leveling and money making easier though due to DPE.
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I know this wont change anything because fencer c3 skill can be leveled with venier. But if IMC not changed that cap, did you guy know you can out dps venier?
Left cata rapier +0 no gems, right venier +0 no gems:
If you are poor, you could go ahead with a cheap rapier. But only if IMC regret in not put a cap in fencer c3 skills.
lol…in normal mob venier lost
but in some mob, just like ellaganos tipe mob (dark + leather)
venier rule
just have them both
Damage will increase less than 1k. I tested.
If you take a high base damage rapier(spada), in the end they will do almost the same damage(spada will win). But that was a scenario where fencer c3 skills with cap. Only to show how a cheap weapon can compete with venier.
If you are poor and can’t afford a venier this is a way around.
Edit: Finally I’ve discovered where epee goes on the damage formula.
I myself am interested in doing High3-Hop2-Goon. Well if it was possible to ditch Hop2 (only taking it for Spear Lunge, I don’t like how they hold the spear on Finestra), I would.
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Where? Epee bonus damage is added after crit is calculated, right?
Yes, as far as I know, from that Von Freya video, Epee Garde’s bonus multiply the Critical exactly as it should, at the very end.
If there’s any difference between the final damage of the Critical and the Normal Damage, it’s due to the Normal Critical calculation itself.
Yes, just like this:
{[(PA+SA)x1,5]+CA+EA+ETD}x(Epee 20%~140%)x™x(ENHANCE)
Its the first multiplier after all normal calculation. All tests I did was 100% accurated.
Edit: You can test in this vid:
Edit2: Playing with some numbers based on my noob char, my compose + epee will hit 17.387(normal 4622) excluding mob def and using leather.
Edit3: Now I will fall in my bed. Night people.
Interesting. That’s quite powerful and kinda makes sense as steady aim is on the same category I think. I just tested your formula on YS’ ktos fencer recent video and it’s preety accurate. Need 315 high damage rapier to transcend IMC pls. I can’t transcend venier as it’s just the best rapier for alts.
please for more detail
i cant understand at all at those variabel
i know only PA for physical attack and CA for critical attack
Now it’s time to choose. Sell Venier+8 for mountain of silver (i don’t sell my sanity less than 8kk) and use catacomb rapier… or not.
I think I saw a video here with Epee going all the way to level 7. imo, that is of much more value since there is increase in crit damage and skill uptime. Though it really sucks being stuck in +2 skill weapons, pretty much no choice at all (Venier, Lolo and Solmiki)
We still don’t have any informations about new rapiers. If we get new toy with +1 and damage higher than Spada i will be happy.
IMC wont buff fencer anymore, this epee garde already OP even with venier
And flash feche + balestra fente cover fencer weak aoe rate
So they just made those two skill with no attribute to balance things out
Heck I’d be willing to trade my Venier now for something new and better, but the only rapier better than Venier now is Lolopanther. That’s also one of the things I was disappointed from the last patch from KR, all those new weapons but none for Rapier. I bet they’re all baffled now on how they can create new sets of Rapiers without resorting to +2 skill effects and have it perform better than its predecessors.
Oh and I do hope that they release other versions of Rapier. I hate the cup hilt model that we have right now.