[Guide] In-Depth Explanation and Discussion of Swordsman Builds - by Autentist

[pozinho_baracat]

Why not peltasta/highlander at Rank2 pvp doppel build?

better leveling

[dhorn]

@Autentist I was playing with the idea of a pve dual wielding fencer build that goes into C2 Corsair since it brings more to the build than going for another circle of fencer in my opinion, hexen dropper would even be affected by the rapier mastery attribute that activates when not using a shield since it’s pierce damage. What I had in mind would be something along the lines of this:

corsair fencer - Skill Simulator - Tree of Savior Fan Base

Went for a circle of Peltasta since swash buckling is love and apparently works when using rapier+dagger, didn’t see the point of going C3 barb over it since you generally don’t pick any of the new skills in that circle and just go in there for additional points in the existing skills.

Would this work alright or am I missing something?

[chrisyty]

@Autentist

Many thanks for your comments.

I haven’t really decided what to do for C2 but I suppose I’ll have a better idea how the chara actually works once I get to play the game (Didn’t play any of the betas).

Also contemplating dropping Frenzy entirely for War Cry since barbarian seems to be a skiller as opposed to an autoattacker.

Stat-wise, I am considering 3 Str 1 Dex. Would that be feasible or would it leave the chara a tad squishy?

[Qlast]

first of all thx for all you replies XD

Just wonder for right now at this moments(with all the changes) should i go for Sword plet barbx3 doppelx2

or sword highland barbx3 doppelx2? thx

[heikki222]

Sword - High3 - Corsair2 - Fencer is a dual-wield Fencer build.

You caught my interest but now you have my attention. How would this exactly work? Could you elaborate?

[Lenny]

highlander, cus doppel will use 2H

[Berserker]

Hmm
Thanks for the info

[shadowstabba]

Trying to figure out which path to take. I like the idea of 1h spear and shield over 2h. Will end at Dragoon and definitely want a mount. Was thinking this-

Dragunov - Skill Simulator - Tree of Savior Fan Base

or would I be better to go c1 Hop and C3 Cataphract (heard it wasnt worth going C2 Cat) though I would still be intending to use a 1h Spear. Also, what do you suggest leveling between Impaler and Steed Charge? Im a bit iffy there. Again Im fairly set on using a shield.

[dldevoted]

Which would be better : Sword - High3 - Corsair2 - Fencer or Sword- Perl Barb2- Corsair2 Fencer for pve??

Also my friend wants to play shinobi bad. is a sword- high3-cor2-shinobi better or sword- pel- .barb2-cor2-shinobi ?? He wants to dual wield.

( i edited, forgot can go barb3)

Also: I read barb2 not worth? If i go barb3, is Sword-Pel-Barb3 a great dps build for pve? I was thinking going the barb 3 as rank 7 that way i can access cor2 more sooner. Thoughts?

[Autentist]

[size=25] Updated. Added Fencer guide.[/size]

Q & A will be now added on this post, since the first one exceeded it’s limit.

Question 1

So I’ve read your build, since you have a highlander why would you invest in bash over thrust? Even if it’s just something you could do on cooldown on other skills, couldn’t you trigger the stagger and thrust with that 0 cd for some additional damage in your rotation?

Edit: and yes, I do realize you will switch to 2h spears on dragoon, but it’s a long time until then so that thrust could provide a bit of damage here and there or am I wrong?

Answer

Thrust scales off extremely badly. It’s a one point skill, because it’s damage is VERY low on high levels despite the 0CD cooldown.Bash stays useful till lategame because it has Knockback for CC.

Since we take Hoplite already on Rank 4, we already have access to two Pierce skills already thus, Thrust with it’s low damage will definitely fall off completely.

Question 2

how much block penetration do you need for pvp ?

Answer

You don’t. First, to have a decent Block Penetration, you must choose Cata as a class because they gain up to 40% Block Penetration with 2H Spears.

And then Priest casts Stone Skin. That’s all, your Block Pen instantly becomes useless, because Stone Skin basically makes all team on Priest’s side immune to any physical damage.

Basically, you gain 10 or 20 points of this Block Pen in comparison to Stone Skin. It’s laughable. This is the sad truth, unfortunately.You want more? Level up SPR. But for Cata it’s not needed.

Question 3

My point: restrain can be countered by plague doctors. And the physical attacks by the priest3. Whats the point to get swordman 3 while you can get iron hook from corsair, which cant be countered?

So, the best pvp build wouldnt be with a corsair path?

Answer

Then this would be two different builds. Cata is a generally PvP class thanks to it’s high mobility and Restrain, but it doesn’t synergize with Corsair.
So for Corsair you can use one of the builds above. More will soon come.

Question 4

Why is trot useful? Is it really that much of a difference to not use a companion? AFAIK you can’t cast it on yourself on foot, and I wonder if you can use dragoon skills while on your companion. It does look really cool but can you cast dragoon skills while on a companion?

Answer

Trot is useful, because of it’s extreme mobility, which can be a deciding factor in PvP. Also, you traverl much faster in general. More speed is always good. Yes, you can use them mounted.

Question 5

If deeds can be uptimed without needing to refresh their stacks would you say there’s worth in taking it that high?

Answer

Obviously. This changes much. I’ll wait for confirmation.

Question 6

It has 2 more aoe ratio but thats it.

Answer

It also hits more times. And provides another Stun chance to Cleave. I wouldn’t underestimate this skill.

Question 7

getting frenzy stacks

Answer

That’s exactly why we are getting it. It works with DOV, giving to it another +400 damage on the spot. You’re basically missing the damage bonus, which makes Barb great in the first place.

Question 8

And warcry high

Answer

Haaaa, no. War Cry already gets it’s attributes on level 3. Besides, it reduces Defence on all flat numbers, so falls of very quickly.

Question 9

For a barbarian/doppel build warcry gives you more attack the higher it goes, up to a total of 330 attack for its duration. Why not max it?

Answer

It’s still only flat numbers. Frenzy will give you more in this case. We get War Cry for attributes and Defence Duration, which, again, will be useful only at early levels. The main damage still comes from DOV and Doppel.

Question 10

Also, why did you choose to level helm chopper and cleave equally instead of maxing cleave out? Cleave seems to benefit more from leveling due to the stun multiplier.

Answer

True, but Helm hits more and it hits HARDER. You don’t use Helm for Stun chance only, it’s damage is quite good. We can probably take at least 2 points from War Cry in this situation, should you desire so.

Question 11

One last thing: If you could refresh deeds how would you skill your doppel C2 instead? Pull points from zornhau and bring deeds to 9?

Answer

8 to Dees for the uptimed Duration, 1 in Zucken, rest in Zornau and Redel. This is for PvE. For PvP - see above.

Question 12

Why not Vertical Slash on Doppel build like Dragoon?

Answer

Answered in the guide, by adding info. Basically, Dragoon benefits from it much more due to single-target nature, passive abilitiy and overall High’s debuffs. But for Doppel we need that one point in Crown for the Zornau combo.

Question 13

First, why not use Gae Bolg for Dragoon? (PvE)

Answer

Because all it offers is Burst, that’s it. It’s bonuses won’t benefit you that much in PvE, but for PvP they can be very effective. If you want it, you can take 1 point in it from Soar. But I really advise to use it for PvP and Cata, especially due to it’s mobility, which allows to quickly grab it. That is very important too.

[Lostac]

What do you think of this fencer build that was not on your list?
Personally I dont like taking up barb 3 so i put corsair in

Corsair-Fencer2 - Skill Simulator - Tree of Savior Fan Base

[Autentist]

Barbarian is most useful only on it’s last Circle.
You lose out of Frenzy, more Seism and PvP skills, such as Pouncing and Swing, which go very well with Corsair1, adding tou your potential.

For PvE purposes you better take another build.

[Lostac]

hmm okay, would Highlander 2 fit better into that? I saw the patchnotes with Skyliner cooldown which is kind of a turn off which made me put 2 barbs instead.

[Lostac]

Actually, I think I can go on with 2 barb for now, then think about getting Another barb for rank 7 or get fencer C2.

Do you think I could sustain flanconnade spamming with potions if it’s maxed?

[Autentist]

People should really stop thinking that Highlander equals Skyliner.
Besides Skyliner combo it will give you Skull Swing, the best Armor Break skill in the game.
You will also have Shock with Crown.
AND despite the nerf Skyliner is still strong, giving you LOW cooldown with 3 Overheats and 2 hits.

It’s strong. The main appeal of it is utility with debuffs which scale great into the late game.
And no, you must get HighC3 too for full potential.

Fencer has better skills for spamming than Flancon, but you can, why not. The main appeal of it is Block effect still.

[alexanderpritulyak]

I’m looking for versatile PvE build that can deal with bosses. Can’t decide between first two dragoon builds in OP. Which would be better for such purposes?

[charlesjansem]

Pure PvE Cataphract Dragoon - Skill Simulator - Tree of Savior Fan Base

Two handed spear ? / sword +shield ?

[Sekreutz]

SetzDS - Skill Simulator - Tree of Savior Fan Base

SetzFencer - Skill Simulator - Tree of Savior Fan Base

I plan on using these two builds and have some questions regarding them, feedback would also be appreciated.
First, is this stat allocation fine?
Fencer: Dex 2-Str1-Con extra points from quests etc.
Doppelsöldner: 2Str-Dex1- Con same as Fencer
As Fencer I’m inlined to take peltasta for the swash buckling but I’m not sure, how well do the higher skilled buffs and especially refrain work later in the game? Swash Buckler should be useful at any level.
Also, I couldn’t find out, but is it enough to have used Double Pay Earn and have a party member kill an enemy you’ve already hit before to trigger the buff?

[Gruneaugen]

Completely new to the game, so I’m trying to read and watch as much as I can. I’ve looked on a few different websites for builds, but nowhere explains the stat necessity. Only which skills and classes are needed. I always play tanks and healers, and I was looking at building a tank since I’m so new to this game. Glanced over the Fencer Tank build, but any help would be awesome. I’m the worst person at coming up with my own builds.

[TacioDaito]

Restrain’s stun chance works on skills or just with AA’s?