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[Guide] Hoplite - By Cathexis

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#263

ah ok, so the buff doesnt stay even if you mount again correct?

#264

That is correct, as soon as you dismount you lose the buff and you cannot use it again until you mount again (and Trot is out of cool-down).

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#265

hehe. canā€™t you throw spears at the enemy your face tanking and pick it up straight away?

#266

Cool idea o.o 20ā€¦

#267

Yes you can. There is still all the throwing animation that takes time, so it is not going to be as spammable as other skills, but still makes up for that lost time with the extra damage (+Geras spear it can overkill some mobs).

#268

So how is Synchro Thrusting now with this overheat and the major cooldown buff?

#269

That was a few posts above:

1 point on it, but other than that isnā€™t really worth it considering the other skills take higher priority in a build and thus deserve more points.

#270

per point:
stabbing gains 276damage/44s (assuming 12 hits)
pierce gains about 51~204/30s
synchro gets 156/16s

so, synchro is the best investment for sustained DPS, or stabbing for burst.
pierce is prolly the one Iā€™d recommend dropping back to 1 pt; itā€™s just too narrow of a skill to justify a big investment now that other skills have been buffed.

unless you donā€™t use a shield, then synchro is trash.

#271

Just some questions if you donā€™t mind. Deeds of Valor stack when you block hits ? I plan to follow the same path that you did, you think itā€™s better to stop at Doppelsoldner and wait for when Lancer get released ?

#272

That would be a terrible idea. Pierce is still our main overkill skill, and with Throwing Spear available only at C3, then it still plays a big role into the Hopliteā€™s kit.

Not to even mention that despite the changes, Hoplite still remains as an auto-attacking class, and the sustained damage is already covered by those auto-attacks.

Plus, the best situations where sustained damage is really required is long fights (bosses), at which Pierce and Stabbing both play a much bigger role than Synchro Thrusting will even with these changes.

And considering that dagger still remains as the main off-weapon to use for normal situations to increase DPS, and Synchro Thrusting is limited to the use of a shield, then itā€™s practical use isnā€™t as convenient as numbers would show.

Deeds of Valor doesnā€™t stack on block or hit.

We have no information about Lancer at all (like available Rank, requirements, etc), so we will have to wait until more data is released for us to make any decisions about it.

#273

Do you know if block penetration is important for pve? In particular the 40% block penetration attribute for cataphract.

#274

Not really. The mobs that can block are so rare that you wouldnā€™t notice any difference.

#275

@Cathexis

Which Skill are u prefer for swordman c1 ->H c2->PC1->HL3

#276

Which spear for lv120 would be the best? Zega Spear? Entra Partisan?

#277

Use this one.

#278

Drops where?? /20chars

#280

Dungeon 115. :smiley:

#281

@Cathexis
Hey so I was thinking of using your Sword 1 Pelt 1Hoplite 3 Dopel 1 Dragoon build for the iOBT. Are there any changes in the kr OBT that are relevant or is the information in the guide above still good?

Thanks!

#282

i think Iā€™ll play this build:


though Iā€™m not sure about some swordsman c1 skills:
bash 3 - gung ho 5 - concentrate 3 - pain barier 4
or
bash 5 - gung ho 5 - concentrate 0 - pain barrier 5
also can i use 2h spear without c1 cataphract?

#283

Yes, only when u rank 7.