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[Guide] Aoe Burst >>> Sapper + Schwarze Reiter

Class and Rank Archer
#41

( add enhance attribute is really improtant, cus R3 no broom trap, S3 no barrrage, and R1S2 has both.
and its not fair if u set some skill has high attribute so i set 100% for all)
R1S2:

  1. Steady 5 + AF (1000+2800) * 1.5 * 1.1 * 33 = 6270 * 33 = 206,910
  2. Broom trap 5 (330+1000) * 1.5 * 2 * 22 = 87,780
  3. Barrage feint 5 (1000+250) * 1.5 * 10 * 2 * 3 (use 3 times) = 112,500
    Total: 206,910 + 87,780 + 112,500 = 407,190
    S3:
  4. AF+Broom trap=3800 * 1.5 * 33 + 1545 * 1.5 * 2 * 1.5 * 22 = 188,100 + 152,955 = 341,055
    R3:
  5. Steady 15 + AF= 3800 * 1.5 * 1.2 * 33 =225,720
  6. Barrage feint 5 (1000+545) * 1.5 * 2 * 10 * 3 = 139.050
    Total 225,720 + 139,050 = 364,770

However, barrage is not a stable aoe skill, or even cant call it an aoe skill, so i dont think it’s fair to add it as Full dmg in side, lets reduce 50% dmg of barrage and feint.

it will be
R1S2: 206,910+87,780+56,250=350940
S3: 341,055
R3: 225,720+69,525=295,245

At least, we know R3< S3~R1S2
that’s the meaning of my guide>>> sapper better than ranger 3, both bd in my guide win

#42

ofc r1 S2 would win, you used up 5 skills compared to S3 using AF and boom trap only and was dealing 341k damage, and r3 which you use 4 skills, there are lots of things to consider like other sapper3 skills or other skills to combine with ranger3, or boom trap not hitting flying.

The ones you’ve computed are basically good on paper but would be different in actual situations. where like @seifer0692 said with party buffs and such, end game is mostly about teaming with others than just having good numbers with your math.

#43

You know, I forgot barrage had three overheats.

Also, that was with 0% enhance. 100% enhance is just adding those total numbers for the skills with enhance with 100% again. Lol

So no, it is fair. Because nothing is wrong with my calc’s. I just forgot that barrage can be used three times before cd.

And, no. Barrage is easy to use. Positioning is key. Like all you need to do is stay 1 meter away from the monster and all the arrows will hit. being right on top or literally next to it will make you miss 1~2 hits.

#44

There’s nothing unfair using 3 skill compare with , as the video shows to u it is a real situation how we use combo, and when we talk about flying type is not a situation we need to worry. Or maybe u can list all u want to calculate to improve ur words. @seifer0692 only says “low DEX could get 99% CR with team, and u can wear others cards instead of wear wwf to increase ur own CR”

#45

Yup, i think uare are right, and do u want to do a summary for those number?

#46

R1 S2 SR3 has the most damage.
R3 SR3 is the most future proof.
S3 SR3 has the best aoe.

:confused:

Either way, i wish you best of luck with your guide making.

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#47

just like u say, no one know sapper got buff now, maybe next patch everything will change but for now, it has shown on the paper.

#48

seifer was also pertaining to melstis and other froms of buffs to enhance attack but if you want solo play forever then go this build, I didn’t say there was something wrong, I was saying you used up all your skills at your disposal on your math for r1s2, while for s3 you only use boom trap and AF while they have other skills at disposal. SR3 is really good in end game content, which is all about party, with ranger3 as their utility for earlier circles, comes r9 r10 steady aim wont fall off. You were the one calculating stuffs on paper with just pure solo setup.

Well anyways, if this build works well for you then its all good, I didn’t say it was bad. you were doing good damage in your video, but like I said, there are lots of things to consider when you PT up with other classes. Good luck :slight_smile:

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#49

idk why u say sapper is solo ranger is party, thats totally different with @seifer0692 said

octane:
for s3 you only use boom trap and AF while they have other skills at disposal.
well R1S2 has same skills if u know how to play sapper. C3 only one new skill -spike shooter which is for a single target.

we just list some skill are important in AOE
if we didnt take barrage as an aoe skill ranger lost more.

for my guide i prf both S3 and R1S2 one for party, one for solo (sound fair)

R3SW take steady aim as god skill waiting C9 C10 for more dmg…
i take 10 % in R1 and not keep going for 20% i choose to go sapper which is stronger in C7. C8,
Theres nothing about team buff is for ranger or Sap, only for DEX and STR.

#50

Sapper solo? where? when? sapper is so hard to solo lol, I was saying you’re doing solo because you weren’t counting on other classes buffs in your computation that’s why your r1s2 wins. collar bomb at lvl 10 is good just harder to set up, spike shooter with a falconer class in a party is also good.

yup I agree r3sw is so future proof, considering the spike in base damage from r8 skills, your % increase damage from steady aim would be godly

#51

when?

my build is sapper. “ur build” means sapper

thanks for telling me more advantage of sapper c3,
u let me so confused are u suggesting sapper or ranger dude, team buff is for DEX and STR again nothing about range or sapper again. team skills is depend on ur team, usually there nothing skill combo with sapper or ranger but SR.

Before talking about future, now even since R6.7.8 ranger is still not stronger than sapper yet, i wish it will be much stronger in furute R9. 10, good luck
i hear ranger 20 % op since R7 hehe , but what happend for r8 is dissappoint, btw i have a ranger SR do u know? i have compare with them and feel the weakness, thats how this bd comes out before u guys talking about sapper buff

#52

this build means your sapper2rogue1sr3 video and the one you defending to have the best path to choose than ranger3 base on your math computations since all your maths are based on solo. uhmm duh?

I wasn’t suggesting anything, was just pointing that r1sap2 isn’t the best or is better than sapper3 and ranger3 both can have their own thing. since your post seems to tell us that going sap2r1 nets more DPS than ranger3 which is more of a future proof for the archer class.

And yes, I am aware of that you have tons of archer class since you’ve invensted in WW card which isn’t other class friendly card. Have you tried doing 315 dungeon with them? which is the best? all 8 archers you’ve reached rank 8 too?

#53

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