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Got banned for holding Z

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#203

If the game is designed that a heavy object left on the keyboard is a bannable offense. The fault lies with the game, not the players.

Here is a list of reasons why this is irrelevant.

  1. I was talking about a scenario where someone holds the key and watches a movie while being there at the keyboard, not the op for most of this he’s just the person who sparked the debate. So stop referencing him to use as evidence for your argument.

  2. It’s completely ineffective - Your weapon will break, you won’t be getting good exp if you don’t move areas and to new spawns within the same area. The likely hood you’d actually hit something most of the time is not in your favour. You would gain basically hardly any exp or silver in the span of a couple hours.

  3. IMC specifically stated not to do it because it causes problems when they’re looking for the REAL bots. There are real bots who move around and farm and actually make tons of money for selling and by reporting people for holding the “z” key you’re bogging down the system for actual game ruining threats.

  4. Pets are infinitely better way to do the same thing and are built into the game. A better version of the same thing IS BUILT INTO THE GAME

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#204

If the game doesn’t want people to put a coin on the keyboard they could just add a single line of code.

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#205

Out of interest. If I sat there watching a movie with my finger physically on the Z key. Should I be banned?

#206

With target locking, it’d work very well as soon as a mob comes in to view.

#207

Oh I love how everyone is twisting simple words to their liking, GOOD JOB EVERYONE, KEPT IT UP!

#208

I’m not sure you’ll appreciate my response but: I don’t think you should get banned, but If enough players came by during the time you were holding Z and not paying attention that you accumulated enough bot reports… you deserve it.

You deserve the trouble of going out of your way to submit a ticket to IMC to get your account unbanned. I say this because you are in the know about what it takes to get banned currently in game and, despite that, you would dare hold Z.

On the flip side, I don’t think IMC should have to deal with banning somebody not directly violating the terms of service or EULA or whatever, and then having to unban them. It’s the ultimate busy work.

For everyone trying to game lazy, just play with a gamepad. You can be equal times lazy with two thumbs rolling over the directional buttons. You won’t look like a bot, and you won’t get reported.

#209

Well, sooner or later the Z holder won’t get banned anyway, because those who reported the Z holder will lose the credibility and won’t have as much factor in banning bot.

#210

Except that didn’t happen. I would hope no one is stupid enough to use this as a real excuse or as something they actually do.

AFK attacking should not be allowed. How is placing a weight on a key or using mouse/keyboard macros and walking away any different from letting a bot program kill things for you? It’s less efficient that is about it.

AFK “z botting” was a huge problem in the last beta test and if they are punishing people for it they are doing the right thing and I hope they continue.

#211

Unless the AFK player in first sentence is different from second sentence, that action is deemed to be honest play by IMC.

You can kept twisting the words or pretend how bad your comprehension skill is, the statement is there.

Those statement is never confusing, it’s only confusing to those who hoped it’s otherwise.

#212

its easy to record and upload a video + submit said video to the staff - ive done that in RaiderZ and ya people pretty much hated me for that but its been effective to say the least - dont do it in the first place

also if you got a cryo friend you can icewall those “Z key” bots into a corner - takes some time tho but thats proof enough of the guy being automatic

staff only said that they have to be handled differently and e shouldn use the report button - its nowhere mentioned that they wont recieve a ban…guess people misunderstand

#213

Hate you for what?

Did you read the second sentence? Why would an honest play or innocent player get banned?

It’s easy enough for the system to detect Z holding if they wanted to, at least it’s much easier than detecting the bot. The reason they didn’t ban them, is because they are deemed to be innocent.

#214

Maybe set up a deterrent to auto-disconnect players who hold Z for 5 minutes. Then you have to be present to log back in. It also means if you set up a macro to log you back in every 5 minutes, well now you’re macroing and therefore bannable.

#215

for recording such as the above - people going afk at this pvp zone simply to “bot” pvp points for being in winning team

#216

But it is you are the one who is taking sentences and words out of context to interpret for own Z-afkers’ benefit.

#217

Just cobfirming that you think I should be punished for playing my own way :slight_smile:

#218

Doesn’t change the fact Z-holder is getting unbanned, and will not be banned.

You can kept reporting them, but nothing will happen except decreasing your RII point.

You can kept arguing they are wrong, but nothing would happen to them.

#219

Does it mean that I can start a few alt accounts and Z silvers for my main account?

#220

That not what IMC said. They said you should report them via other means (forum/tickets) to not hurt your RII by using “report bot” function because automated system that handles those reports isnt taught yet to deal with Z-afkers.

#221

You can, but I would advise against doing so because there is no point in doing so.

There is no more Big Kepa spot.

Source?

#222

Don’t need a “big kepa” spot to use Z. People did it everywhere in the last beta.

Monsters spawn in set locations its not difficult to position yourself and then use Z with a weight.

They never said you cannot report people who do this. Far as I am concerned its the same as botting and I will report it if I see it via tickets.