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Full Shade set and Max leather mastery for PVP?

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

Shade set is pretty sick in PVP (except gloves), the amount of evasion you get is incredible. Combined with Leather Mastery’s 4 piece bonus (which is much better than plate mastery) it should work very well in PVP, other swordsmen and monks can’t touch you. If you’re a Cataphract then archers are not a problem anyway, even if they can still hit you.

Why doesn’t this set get more attention though? It’s cheap as hell on the market and costs next to nothing to get (except maybe the boots). Am I missing something here?

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#2

Because of Wizards? You can’t dodge magic, specially direct ones like Frost Bolt, Snow Rolling and Frost Pillar. There goes your evasion down the drain, and while you are stunned a swordie, monk or archer can burn your ass down.

#3

But even if you wear full set plate and pump physical defense / block instead, it’s still the same vs magic. Plate doesn’t help with stuns and CCs either.

#4

pretty sure alot of them running around with chest and pant already.

like, alot.

#5

True, but but you still can handle some hits since many plate provide HP, and if you are a swordie you can get some extra nice stuff from some sets (pseudo sets lol). I still don’t know if you dodge if you are CCed (frozen, knockdown, etc…) my guess is you can’t but since the game is messed up in so many areas make me wonder.

#6

i think not much people building dex anymore these days.
they just get around 100-150 sufficient enough to hit at good rate, then pump all to str
mages and cleric dont even need dex.

#7

^ what he said.

The set is kinda useless unless you’re an archer/pelt and went pure/high DEX.

The p.def from a plate set is still more valuable especially when you’re not a high-evasion build, and what you did not invest in DEX goes to other stats like CON (survival) or STR (damage & block pen) which helps you more when dealing with wizards, clerics and some sword/archer builds.

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#8

I think the set is good for DEX dopple and DEX archer and for pure dex Pelt.

For high dex pelt I feel like the loss of DEF loss still hurts, but it could be useable. But I wouldn’t use plate armor with high dex pelt anyways. 4p leather armor would be better.

But I definately agree with Biskee that this set wouldn’t do you any favors unless you are an evasion build to begin with.

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#9

Hehe learned this once I got to Blue Spion Archers.

Leather set + not enough DEX for evasion = wrecked (even with aspersion)

Plate set + aspersion = ez tank, 1 damage

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#10

Shade set + 2 Rhevisan. 70 evasion = 10% dodge so yes its for PVP. Upper and lower give 80 crit resistance too.

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#11

Any source on that info (that 70 evasion guarantees 10% dodge)?

EDIT: Might wanna read this one first

#12

You only need 600 more evasion than attackers accuracy to achieve 70%+ dodge rate.

“For a dodge rate of ~80% at level 280 you’d need 70*8 = 560 more evasion than enemies accuracy (same here, a bit less evasion than i calculated here because of the 10.5% rate instead of 10%)”

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#13

Full high/pure DEX builds, yeah maybe. Saying “70 evasion = 10% dodge” alone is misleading.

#14

It is if your attackers accuracy exceed your evasion value.

#15

I don’t have pelt…I’m going SW3 Cata 3 for PVP.

Should I give up on evasion and focus on STR/CON instead?

#16

Everyone forgetting fencers making good use of this set for boosting their evasion skills even on lower dex builds.

Other than that…eh…not really that good I guess, outside of dex archers?

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#17

Based on experience and what I’ve seen from other sw3 cata3 builds in TBL, if you have the silver to spend on gears and attributes, going high DEX is great - you’ll be nearly untouchable by most physical class builds and you won’t have problem taking on high-eva archers.

Not that STR/CON is bad, but it works well (perhaps better) as a poor man’s build since you’ll still be able to deal a decent, consistent amount of damage against clerics and wiz (especially ones with ridiculously high HP pool). :smiley: I went 1 STR : 1 DEX (I have 3 stat reset pots anyways).

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#18

Pardon me but doesn’t this formula get simplified to
dodge rate = (Evasion - Accuracy) * 42/100

#19

Yep. So either that formula’s wrong or the defender’s level doesnt even matter.

#20

This is absolutely the best set for PvP at the moment when it comes to physical versus physical. There’s no real argument for any alternative.

The problem is that, as mentioned above, magic does not miss.

A viable alternative to the Shade set in PvP for Archers and some Swordsman builds is the Vine set (Cloth armor that gives dex). I personally use 3 pieces of Vine (Boots, Legs, Chest) and the Nephenthes cloth gloves (Accuracy base stat, +5 DEX).

The only problem with the Vine set is that the only real glove option is Nephenthes, which are level 15 gloves that give like 19 accuracy, somewhat forcing you into a DEX-heavy build or socketing accuracy gem.

The only reason to wear plate is if you skimped really hard on CON and are trying to make it up with gear. Honestly, there’s little to no reason for anyone except maybe Clerics to wear plate.

In conclusion, your only two real options for PvP gear is Shade or Vine so yeah, it’s definitely a viable set.