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Full Shade set and Max leather mastery for PVP?

Class and Rank Swordsman
#21

Yea, i didnt realize when writing that formula that it might be the case that the level factor could be wrong or at the same place (The “*defender_level/100” probably shouldn’t be there… maybe).
However, i wrote in the topic where i posted that formula that this is only a theoretical formula without any proof done and just a try to simplify the extremely convoluted formula from the TOS mechanics compilation.

If anyone else wants to try to simplify, correct or prove that formula, feel free to do so. :slight_smile:

#22

It might be worth to consider than strong attack skills like Rush deal Slash damage which would really hurt for leather wearers (unless they used plate as top armor). I’ve seen a number of leather-wearing archers get easily wrecked due to this.

EDIT: Correction

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#23

That’s a good tip Biskee. But it is hard/not worth to itemize against a single skill lol.

TBH if I had to itemize against something, I would itemize VS subzero shield, dark theurge, ausrine, and r7x.

#24

Leather is weak to pierce, not slash.

Your statement would be true for people wearing Vine but usually you try to couple it with good evasion so not to worry about physical damage dealers.

The unfortunate truth is this will always be the case versus certain damage types and you shouldn’t necessarily plan for it. Heck, plate wearers are going to be super upset when Inquisitors start God Smashing for huge numbers.

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#25

Holy crap, I stand corrected. :smile: Sorry, I mixed it up. Yeah, pierce, which swordsman class has a lot of, and nearly all archer builds do.

I agree, plate’s been the most less counterable for awhile and maybe R8 will change that.

I’m fearing DT less now that I have 1 Rhevisan Bracelet - no longer die from most locks using it. Just need one more. :smiley: Others that you’ve mentioned are still a PIA to deal with, especially when combined.

#26

Well Archers actually have little to no pierce attacks and the only Swordsman attack that’s even reliable is Rush, so even still, leather is pretty solid.

Also all I meant as for all things having counters and not planning for it is, you shouldn’t wear plate JUST to counter Cataphracts if you also have issues with most mages.

I personally as a Sapper/Wugu/Scout only fear tanky Wizards, so I wear cloth. Rush Catas get me on occasion but not enough for me to make myself even weaker to magic, if that makes sense.

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#27

Eh, I always though missile attacks were considered pierce. TIL and thanks.

#28

I have a total of 300 dex and some archers can still dodge my attacks. I suspect they are wearing Shade armor and pants and high dodge boots (Shade boots does not have high dodge). IIRC dodge is capped at 85% so even if you’re a pure dex with Shade pants and armor, any physical attack can still hit you 15% of the time.

#29

I used shade set for pvp freaking cryo wizard stun me 20 second straight lmao.

#30

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#31

Just watch this battle.

SW 3 Catagoon + Priest Monk (monstrance) vs Pelthop Catagoon + Fencer

I have yet to max my leather mastery and work on my accuracy gloves and boots. This Sword 3 Cata evasion is so high that makes my ~750 accuracy almost useless. My S. Bandit gloves only has one green gem at the moment and no transcendental bonus so there’s room to improve but still… I even switched to a accuracy hat at the start and was forced to put on a dex armor at the end (that almost killed me when he landed a dragontooth) to have a better chance of landing the blows

He has lolopanther leather boots, shade set, high leveled gems and etc. Evasion is really nice for 2vs2, specially since it does not matter if you have 800 defense and 30k hp, broadhead memearrow will kill you if you don’t block/dodge, but when facing catas I prefer the plate armor so I can dive the rush and break it with Dust Devil, but lol, vs this guy with such evasion I had to C guard and expect the best.

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#32

He has somewhere 1.1k+ evasion with 700 accuracy too like yours, thats why he misses a lot. Almost all dex users dont care about accuracy, they thought what they have are more than enough. If that guy has guard he will be invincible from physical attacks like you. The only weakness of guard from physical attack is knockdown.

#33

You can knockdown someone who is guarding even if he block/dodge it?

#34

Even if you dodge attacks, you can still get stunned (Cleric’s blunt mastery) and other status effects.

#35

I can block/dodge rough grey golem’s knockdown attacks fine during Siaullai missions though.

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#36

It’s different in PvP.

#37

Well im referring if you have 1k+ accuracy so you will less likely to miss. Guard is not always active, example when he is attacking thats the best time to KD before he turtles in guard. The tricky part is he has pain barrier on.