Founder servers will be ghost towns in no time

[Rubiss]

As I said. Why are you confirming me?

Just making sure you understand this going forever. You seem to want to paint IMC as a faceless, cold, uncaring company who does not care for the customer’s feelings when they do if money is involved.

No, you wish them to do. Your expection vs reality is causing your hostility in the first place.

You don’t exactly have the right or the insight to tell me how I feel nor what I expect. I’ll tell you what I expect. I expect a company to care about a customer so long as money is involved.

As I wrote before, you are only suggesting from the pov of the customer. Do you think IMC is not smart enough to consider a cheaper price with less lenght to increase the playerbase and as such, the revenue? Do you assume the ones in charge over there are idiots? Not taking their actions so far into consideration of realistic suggestions is at least naive.

Again, I’m not here to make assumptions (like you are for… reasons?) about IMC’s financial situation. It’s not an excuse to pull this kind of bait-and-switch and cash grab on customers. There exist other solutions. As of right now, I do assume the ones in charge are idiots. A three month head start with no wipe? The person who made that call is incredibly stupid. That was bound to have a backlash. And look what happened. Backlash.

IMC lacks a smart public relation agent who actually is allowed to tell the customers about whats really going on, increasing the trust into the company. In fact, they only care about their investors wanting to show them quick results. The only thing left to do for the Staff is to cover up now. This went far from being optimal.

So yet another time. Why should they act so self-destructive? It’s obvious something must have happened between announcing the open beta and yesterday. Something significant, causing the company to throw their initial plan overboard, risking the trust of the customers and causing a sh!tstorm.

Again, this is not the customer’s problem. If your company’s solution sucks but it’s for the best (for the company) that doesn’t mean the customers’ need to feel sympathy and deal with this kind of thing. What it means is that the company needs to find a better solution or deal with the backlash. That simple.

Why should they rely on something like that? It’s obvious they didn’t plan to do that in the first place. There are no shady tactics. It just happened, so there must be a reason for it. It might even be a reason you’re able to accept, but they will never tell us why, risking people like you getting unecessarily mad with their actions. I want them to be just honest with us. But giving the communication wall between the customers and the ones in charge, getting solid infos is impossible. Nor is it really needed for the wallets to know more than necessary if they are willing to pay already. Why bother being honest with them, maybe even causing to worsen the situation even more? Thats common business logic. If you got nothing good to say, just say nothing.

IMC is lucky to have such passionate supporters over here, willing to pay whatever they are delivering. Yet the heavy ranting (maybe with the help of steam) caused them to reconsider their original plans, which is more than I expected.

As a customer, I have no reason to believe that a company who does shady stuff won’t do it again, especially with no information or reasoning behind why it was done and no promise or assurance that it won’t happen again. Remember? Think of companies as sociopaths? Same should apply to customers. If the company isn’t supposed to care about the customer why would the customer care? All we care about is the bottom line. It was more than you were expecting because you seem to heavily underestimate how passionate the fans are as a whole. Passion is much more than money.

No, you are just annoying the hell out of all the people who are trying be positive with whats happening. Your consistent negative attitude is nothing else than destructive. You are, if anything, just part of a mob wielding forks and torches. Not part of the ones trying to improve the situation by being constructive. And on top of that, you are even discouraging them.

So I’d advise you to stop with this childish bullsh!t if you want to be taken seriously.

I don’t really care who I annoy. I don’t attack people. I present facts and ask for accountability. I’ve been constructive, I’m proposed ideas, I’ve supported people who have done the same. Many people take me seriously. You aren’t the first person to call me smart on this board. I try and conduct myself in a lettered manner whenever I can. You may not like what I have to say and it may annoy you, but dismissing valid points as childish is not right. Collectively, my side of the argument has been taken seriously to an extent. The side who caused havoc on the forums, the side that tried to propose ideas, the side that went to Steam and flagged Tree of Savior for their bait-and-switch. I appreciate the advice, but I will dismiss it. I will continue to post in the manner that I have been until I receive the answers I seek. If it annoys you, you are free to block me and/or ignore my posts.

[Autentist]

Small remark:

If you combine word with something else, it isn’t cencored - bullshit.

[Seiryuu]

Just making sure you understand this going forever. You seem to want to paint IMC as a faceless, cold, uncaring company who does not care for the customer’s feelings when they do if money is involved.

Exactly. As basically every company.

You don’t exactly have the right or the insight to tell me how I feel nor what I expect. I’ll tell you what I expect. I expect a company to care about a customer so long as money is involved.

You are giving me enough input to read your intentions properly. Add being ignorant, intolerant and dreamy to your account. That’s purely based on what you’re posting.

Again, I’m not here to make assumptions (like you are for… reasons?) about IMC’s financial situation. It’s not an excuse to pull this kind of bait-and-switch and cash grab on customers. There exist other solutions. As of right now, I do assume the ones in charge are idiots. A three month head start with no wipe? The person who made that call is incredibly stupid. That was bound to have a backlash. And look what happened. Backlash.

So what? Going into openbeta causing the company to go bankrupt? If there was a better solution, expect IMC to have used that instead. Calling the executives idiots proves how arrogant and ignorant you are. If you are so gifted and smart, I’d suggest you to become an executive asap to share your magnificent wisedom with all these poor idiots.

Again, this is not the customer’s problem. If your company’s solution sucks but it’s for the best (for the company) that doesn’t mean the customers’ need to feel sympathy and deal with this kind of thing. What it means is that the company needs to find a better solution or deal with the backlash. That simple.

Deal with it. Reality is a bitch. I told you before that you don’t need symphathy to be able to actually come up with realistic solutions.

As a customer, I have no reason to believe that a company who does shady stuff won’t do it again, especially with no information or reasoning behind why it was done and no promise or assurance that it won’t happen again. Remember? Think of companies as sociopaths? Same should apply to customers. If the company isn’t supposed to care about the customer why would the customer care? All we care about is the bottom line. It was more than you were expecting because you seem to heavily underestimate how passionate the fans are as a whole. Passion is much more than money.

You’re acting as if someone promised you a lolly and hid it right when you tried to grab it, knowing he would never give you the lolly in the first place.

IMC wanted a Openbeta, something happened, now they need place a founders server inbetween. You’re butthurt now, deal with it. If you cant, sux2bu. Thats it.

I don’t really care who I annoy. I don’t attack people. I present facts and ask for accountability. I’ve been constructive, I’m proposed ideas, I’ve supported people who have done the same. Many people take me seriously. You aren’t the first person to call me smart on this board. I try and conduct myself in a lettered manner whenever I can. You may not like what I have to say and it may annoy you, but dismissing valid points as childish is not right. Collectively, my side of the argument has been taken seriously to an extent. The side who caused havoc on the forums, the side that tried to propose ideas, the side that went to Steam and flagged Tree of Savior for their bait-and-switch. I appreciate the advice, but I will dismiss it. I will continue to post in the manner that I have been until I receive the answers I seek. If it annoys you, you are free to block me and/or ignore my posts.

No, you are just repeating the same again and again. The way IMC hurted your precious feelings with something you can’t agree on morality wise, even if IMC had no real choice. Thats not your business. You won’t forgive. Your butt hurts way too much.

You wont receive anything else than reactions from bugged users. Nothing you’re doing is of any relevance. You are just getting more and more people to be getting annoyed seeing your icon. And thats it.

Is that really worth it? If you wanna change something, just be constructive. Is that too much to ask already? Is the pain too strong?

Just proceed to be useless and destructive wasting your braincapacy for mindless revenge.

Small remark:

If you combine word with something else, it isn’t cencored - bullshit.

Bullshit! Bullshit!

Thx

Ahh @CookyKim I shall summon you to witness this lil spectacle!

[Rubiss]

You were going strong with your arguments and it was an interesting back and forth, but you got a little too personal. You’ve resorted to unflattering analogies, insults and butt hurt? Really? It was a relative mature conversation until that point.

Yeah I think this dialog hit its climax. I won’t enable this anymore. Happy posting.

[Seiryuu]

Well, I was curious how you would react after dropping the level a bit since your ignorance seems to be limitless~

It’s exhausting to repeat the same arguments again and again just because your opponent doesnt seem to get it (or is willing to get it), continuing to stay on a destructive path full of obstacles - and that unsolicitous!

None of your precious arguments had any relevance to begin with. You were just waffleing repeatedly using the cover of moral as justification for your destructive posts. Thats the bottom line, to use one of your favorite terms

[Rubiss]

Now you’re just baiting and trying to get a response out of me.

[Seiryuu]

Now you’re just baiting and trying to get a response out of me.

And that successfully!

[CookyKim]

there was a bait-and-switch and that this is a cash grab.

No financial transaction happened.

IMC did not offer a specific service

They did not switch to anything because no service is being offered now.

Did they disappoint? Sure. Should you be mad? Maybe. But should be be accusing IMC for doing something that they did not do? No, because that’s lying and misinforming the community.

You’re calling it a cash grab when IMC has not received a penny from the player base. It’s purely out of your conjecture. Stop spewing it around like it is a fact.

Has IMC communicated any of this or are you just pushing your opinion onto me?

Sure IMC has communicated. They asked the community for money. Learn to read between the lines. If they didn’t need the money, why ask for EA in a Beta. Oh because they are plain greedy and don’t need money in the final phase of development (usually the most pressure). Somehow you just have to push your opinion that IMC is an evil, greedy, fraud entity to everyone that comes across your posts.

. They would have tried to cover up their Open Beta announcement by deleting it,

It’s not a cover up. It’s called removing outdated information to reduce confusion.

It’s their job as a business to relay that kind of information to their potentially paying customer base

it would be insane for a company to come open to their community that they are going broke. Will you buy the EA if you know it won’t even last 3 months as promised? They have NO obligation to inform player base of their financial situation that obligation is towards investors only (arguably not even investors know about company finances most of the time).

I also want them to be accountable for what they have done

They have done nothing but announcing an OBT, then an EA, both of which are not mutually exclusive.

They didn’t meet your expectation, and you go to every thread yelling that IMC is this big evil corporation that care only about profit, that they are greedy, that they are liars (no you are, and I have proof), they have so wronged the community.

I’m not here to bash IMC.

The best solution

I will most certainly demonize the developers and IMC as a whole until they relay accurate and truthful information about why they did this, why they dropped it on users without warning, why they thought they could get away with it and why we should trust them again. Not to mention more details on the game itself (which is in a playable state, if they think they can charge money to play it).

They’re about to receive many many pennies once the Founder Pack thing goes through. A cash grab is a cash grab. Unless they find a different solution and implement, I’ll call it for what it is.

I don’t know how many times I can tell you personally, but they did a bait-and-switch. You don’t just fail to communicate that your OBT, which was free, is now hidden behind a three month paywall out of nowhere and say you’ll be taking money the next day and that the game will be available a week later. That is extremely shady.

So Open Beta Test was skipped

Yep, it’s very shady and the longer IMC games takes to clear it up, the shadier it gets. Just the fact that they are going to be accepting money before having to answer to the community already shows where their priorities are.

IMC deleted the announcement talking about the Open Beta

You’re trying really hard to paint IMC in a positive light when they’ve been dishonest, lacking communication, covering up things now, and have mislead players.

Soooooo about this "founder" business

And that’s an excuse for all of this? They need money, so it’s time to pull a bait-and-switch on the consumers

You, are not only a liar, but also a hypocrite.

Your consistent negative attitude is nothing else than destructive.

@Rubiss your motive is to cause a havoc in hopes that IMC will revise its EA decision so that you can play the game earlier. Even at the cost of (with your own words) “demonizing” IMC games, with lies, accusations and conjectures.

As a customer, I have no reason to believe that a company who does shady stuff won’t do it again,

You are not even a customer yet. I think IMC has been extremely graceful to not have banned you for spreading misinformation, false accusation and negative conjectures all over the place.

I present facts and ask for accountability

Fact is you can’t get scammed without first losing something, you can’t get bait-and-switched when you were offered / received nothing specific in the first place, you can’t accuse IMC for “cash grab” before they even provided a service or received payment for said service.

Accountability for what? Disappointing you or the community? Or for deception? If the latter please provide proof for said deception.

[Rubiss]

Congratulations!

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[Rubiss]

They’re about to receive many many pennies once the Founder Pack thing goes through. A cash grab is a cash grab. Unless they find a different solution and implement, I’ll call it for what it is.

[Seiryuu]

I’ll add prideful and having a ridiculously high ego to your account~

Yo @CookyKim, you missed the juicy parts already. I’d have assumed s/he’d keep on with it a bit longer, sorry for summoning you pointlessly~

[Seiryuu]

You know the first rule of business? If the customers are buying, its legit. Call it however you want~

8 Dollar for a bucket of popcorn sounds waaaay too expensive? Makes you wanna complain? Makes you wanna shout CASHGRAB!?
People buy it nonetheless, so its legit~

[CookyKim]

A cash grab is a cash grab.

You can’t prove that this is a “cash grab”, beside your own personal conjecture about a situation.

Not to mention

100 TP = $9
600 TP = $54
EA + 600 TP = $50

I believe most would consider that fair value.

[pygmalion002]

i dont think it will become ghost server, except the game itself are boring.

there is no way ppls who buy founder pack will play new on new server:

1. they already considered this early access server as an elite/exclusive server.

2. the one who buy pack is the one who hype for this game

3. friends of that hype person always share same passion as them. (hard to find RL friends who have same game passion as yours, so they will form a strong bond that 50$ is merely nothing for them)

[Rubiss]

This is just a small favour, but when you reply to me, can you take the time to properly formulate your thoughts?

I constantly get updates about you quoting me in your edits and it’d be nice if you took some time to do it all once.

Thanks.

[Rabbit]

raises hand I have a quesetion.

Setting aside the anger/disappointment with IMC…

Given that the package prices are going to be adjusted according to the location of the purchaser according to Steam’s policies, and that they are going to open up fresh start servers at launch, what is the real problem with the EA servers?

Even if they do end up with low populations… I’d kind of prefer a smaller community to play with in some respects. I mean, I loved seeing everyone running around during iCBTs, but… do you all remember the sheer amount of lag from the people connecting from all over? The crowded spaces? The lack of stuff available for a decent price on the Auction House? The spam on the global chat?

I don’t want to be part of a ghost town, by any means, but having diversified communities might be something that provides a fit for players with different needs.

Not everyone likes a jam packed server. Some players prefer a smaller community. I think it would be great if we were able to provide both in a healthy manner. I also like that they’re going to offer fresh start servers for people that do NOT want to play on an established one (there’s nothing wrong with not wanting to have anything to do with the EA servers at all).

scratches head I really am sympathetic with players that are frustrated right now or who are worried about bad ping b/c of the initial location for hosting the game… maybe if enough people buy the packs we’ll at least be able to get some west coast ones too, ya know? I’m not saying the situation is ideal by any means, but pointing fingers at the company and other players or being antagonizing isn’t really going to do anything to help.

[Seiryuu]

Given that the package prices are going to be adjusted according to the location of the purchaser according to Steam’s policies

I fear I need to actually pay 50€ instead if 50$ (which are 42€)
Brrr. That would suck.

Even if they do end up with low populations… I’d kind of prefer a smaller community to play with in some respects. I mean, I loved seeing everyone running around during iCBTs, but… do you all remember the sheer amount of lag from the people connecting from all over? The crowded spaces? The lack of stuff available for a decent price on the Auction House? The spam on the global chat?

Uh. well. There are pros and cons I guess. When you think about the people with the highest purchasing power on free to play servers, they are the ones who want to be better than the rest. If they can achieve that via spending money, they will do that. Since the majority isnt going to buy a lot, these with high purchasing power will feel like kings under peasants.
Now tell him to play with the other kings on the EA server. Well. Yeah. No.
I’m lacking statistics, so I can’t really prophesying what exactly is going to happen after these 3 months.

I fear I may not like how the things are going when it’s too late already, that’s why I’d rather get 3 servers looking exactly alike. Ahh… I guess I’m just being comfortable

[Domo_Kun]

Well, its not like the whole development of the game and their employees does not need any sort of payment. Renting/Buying servers and maintenance would also cost money. The game has not even been fully released yet so who do you think is forking out all the money? IMC or the Players? They did mentioned new servers might be added during the launch of F2P, so who knows if the money gained from the Founder’s pack would allow them to obtain more servers?

Besides, I believe everyone would cry and whine as well if the server were to crash and lag till it is unplayable due to everyone being cramped into a few servers during the start. I too would be pissed if that happens and everyone would be fighting for mob spawns. I’ve played OBT games like Tera online and Blade & Soul, it really sucked when server’s are having long queues or crashes/lags.

Hence, why not kill two bird with one stone? Offering EA package for those who can afford while possibly trying to provide more stable gameplay to them. Meanwhile, maybe based on the funds gathered, paying their employees for maintenance as well as obtaining more servers to accommodate the high population of F2P players later on to reduce the mentioned problems?

What do you guys think? Start all together in a few servers and face server lag/crash and other issues or let them distribute the players smoothly while gather at least some funds to provide additional servers for the rest?

Almost forgot to mention, the EA package do comes with cash points and some freebies (not sure if I’m even interested in the hats) but at least there are some stuff to compensate else it would indeed be called money milking. Tho it is understandable that the price is pretty steep for many players, but it’s not like there are no F2P servers provided later on.

Please don’t bash me for my personal opinions

[Rabbit]

I think those are some valid points, though I think with the pricing… they mean that it should get adjusted to an equivalent value? I’m not quite sure how steam works in other countries. ^^a I am really hoping it’s fair though. I have quite a few European and BR friends who want to play (even if they don’t right away) together… heck I know people from all over that are wanting to group up.

I guess I’m a bit of an oddball because I was sweet on RO for so long, and was on Sakray (back when the game was subscription based) until the day it got merged. I like the close knit feel that some of the smaller server games have, but I know not everyone feels that way!

[Seiryuu]

Apparently they need 3 months to get the game ready for the free-to-play masses. And they want the founders to help them getting the game ready. And they need money. So the EA model is killing 3 birds with one stone already.