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Forcing solo players into group play

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#1

I have seen that popping up here and there, but no real discussion about it so far.

Why force solo players into group play? Not only from the gameplay perspective, but from the community as well. Why is/should the easiest challenge in the game -field mobs- be only possible through groupplay?

Yes, this is a MMO. You are stronger when you group up, and many ingame challenges can only be done through that. But does it have to be ALL challenges? Why not have something for the soloplayers to do? And why do some of the community try to forcefully push soloplayers into groupplay?

  • A Soloplayer already has a group/guild, but most of them are doing something else (for a multitude of reasons), but the soloplayer still wants to play the game. With tangible progress, mind you.
  • A former Soloplayer wants to get more into Multiplayer, but he is to introverted / socially akward and first has to warm up to the thought, so he plays solo until he feels comfortable.

Now, i don’t want to have ToS transform into another Maplestory, but i think there should be always be something that a soloplayer can do, regardless of level.

EDIT: From what i have seen so far, there seems to be a focus on talking with me, but not to the issue at hand.

The first point is of the opening post is ignored altogether. The second point seems to be ignored also, and may it only because of the “Play WoW instead” posts. (Also to your information, i never played WoW and never will.)

I clearly state that i know what MMO means, yet quite a few seem to think that i wouldn’t.

No one said that soloplayers should get “weak” mobs. To get a better understanding of the issue at hand, you should read this:

Overall, it seems that the “forcing” part is coming from the community at large as well, which makes me sad.

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#2

Im plaing solo most of the time and i dint find hard at all…
I dont know what you are going through but the only things i couldnt do solo on this game were party quests and worldbosses…
Im Lv 178 by the way…

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#3

Read this, and be very afraid.

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#4

You haven’t reached the level range where you will be basically forced to group. Wait till around 211+ then you’ll want a group to continue levelling at a reasonable pace.

I don’t think it’s a bad thing at all.

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#5

I havent but my guid did…i play with then on ts…they are 250+ thats most the reason im solo…and they told me it is possible to solo…but is A LOT easier to party…so it is convenience, all other MMOs work like that at a certain level you need to party to progress faster…

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#6

And why do you think that way?

#7

I’m under the exact opposite mindset. I think players aren’t forced to group up ENOUGH in modern MMOs. The quest-fest standard that World of Warcraft set really caters to the solo player. It is pretty much destroying MMO communities as a whole.

Back in old MMO days, and yes there are flaws with this as well, you’d search all over to find that wonderful party or teammate, and a good party would frequently form lasting bonds. The communities were rich and people became popular (or infamous) depending on how they acted and played. Now it’s just solo quest to yourself or with a small group of people you know from outside of the game and try and avoid everyone else while you rush to end game and complain about the lack of content.

Yes, I do do realize nostalgia makes things seem better than they are, but even the WoW developers have some regrets about what they did to MMOs as a whole.

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#8

So, in your opinion, solo players should be forced into partys.

#9

You do know you are playing a MMORPG right… RIGHT?!? complaining that your being suggested to play with other players is mindboggling that’s like playing league and demanding to play 1v1 in a 5v5 match you might want to reconsider your game choice because your looking to play a game designed not for what you had in mind.

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#10

Nailed it. Played XI for 7 years. I’m personally tired of these MMOsingle player games.

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#11

LvL 179 here, and I can solo EVERYTHING. Easier with a group, but I can do it alone too. I find no problems.

#12

I’m a huge advocate or w/e for people actually interacting in an mmorpg, but do know that people have their preferences. I actually do think there should be more options, to at least make it more possible for solo players to work alone at their own pace.

The appeal in co-op should be itself, not the game forcing players to do it. The game should strongly lean towards party play to discourage people from being completely alone for the entire game, which it does with the party exp buff (screw that random party matching buff though, why the hell) and neat class synergies. Solo should be much less appealing, but not you know, borderline unrealistic.

Which I actually don’t think is the case, with so many solo players running around. I definitely think those players did party up at some point, which isn’t much to ask honestly. If you’re super against interacting with other human beans, just don’t talk and pretend everyone else is an AI. perfect.

w/ that being said though, I need to get there myself. 30 more levels before I know what i’m talking about ye.

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#13

If I wanted to play alone, I would just make a build suited for solo play, that way I would have no problems playing solo.

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#14

Haha yea man good old ffxi nothing like a Valk dunes party amirite?

#15

I don’t know how bad is the situation…but in general…

I don’t think it is nice if there is no solo part of the game. I don’t think you would want to be constantly in parties.

There are times when you just want to grind for some silver alone or for recipes or finish a quest… don’t tell me you can find parties for everything because I don’t rly believe it…and it is also feels like you would want everything to be done by others…

But I kinda hope it’s not like that…that you can’t do anything alone after a point X)…

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#16

Unfortunately this is a pretty basic design of MOST MMOs, it promotes a things leaning into group play, that is what MMOs are.

I understand you want more options for players who prefer to go solo, but you cannot honestly blame an MMO for lacking solo contents.

#17

It’s what happens, although you can still solo ( determinant on your build) but 9/10 of the builds cannot solo this stuff ‘effectively’ or i guess within a timely manner. This becomes prominent after you are rank 7. (225) Get acquainted before then!

#18

Aww…that doesn’t sound good to me but I will see myself when I will be able to play…I rly hope soon…

I love group play btw… I just think you need sometimes your private sphere… Either because you feel like you wanna do something alone or just because you don’t want to bother others… … because you only have half an hour to play for example or something…X)

#19

Lmao played on a both retail pre abyssea and a XI private server pre ToAU. Good stuff and yeah lol hated the Dunes.

#20

I don’t like group either, people are jerks, as*holes and gamers are joke of humanity.
But let’s face it, we can’t live alone without partners unless you’re Satan reincarnate.

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