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Final Conclusion on PVP for Swordsman classes

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

Ok, so after going through the skills from other classes (Wizards, Archers, Clerics) and the way that they can be used to counter Swordsman in PVP, I have concluded the following:

  • Stuns and Slows can be countered by enemy Plague Doctors - therefore you CANNOT rely on them. You can safely assume that any decent PVP cleric will go Plague Doctor for cc immunity.
  • Knockdowns do not last long enough for you to burst enemies down because it pushes enemies back so you have to chase them to melee range again.
  • Corsair’s Iron Hook in theory can work if you can pull it off in a 1v1, but in 5v5 PVP if your enemies are spread out, it won’t work. Even if you catch your enemy in melee range close enough to use skills on them, their teammates can easily use stun/freeze/knockdown on you to cancel your hook.

So due to the above, my conclusion is that the ONLY way for Swordsman to PVP is to go Cataphract c3 for max level Trot to increase movement speed, eliminating a lot of need for cc.
Cataphract also has the 2H spear passive to decrease block by 40%: http://www.tosbase.com/database/attributes/107019/
This is the only counter to Priest’s ridiculous Stone Skin buff, which buffs block to astronomical heights: http://www.tosbase.com/database/skills/40210/

Those of you serious about using Swordsman for PVP, better start thinking about Cataphract c3 builds. I don’t like this current state either because it gives us so little choice for builds, but after serious consideration, this is the only realistic solution to become competitive in PVP.

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#2

Im gonna add
Swordsman 3 - Cataphract 3 - Dragoon is the only and only and only build.

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#3

No, because of my first point about stuns/slows.
If the enemy team has Plague Doctor then their entire team has stun/slow immunity, meaning u just wasted 2 additional ranks in Swordsman.

#4

Yeah but Still the only Dragoons in top 20 are Sword 3 - Cata 3 - Dragoon
I tell you why, if you use Rush + Trot + Restrain you can jump in a team and IF there is no Plague there you can kill all, all of them, you can kill anyone who are not on Profecy or BloodLetting using Rush + Restrain.

And thats the best thing you should get from those “2 wasted ranks”, you cant get anybetter than this.
Dont want to be the best possible build in pvp by killing every other single build out there, aways its gonna be one build, one class, someone who can mess with your build.
In That case is only Plagues. So be happy with this and avoid using it in bloodletting players.
I tested it in pratice and I see it in pratice. Simple

#5

I don’t think @phillipe_ghelardi fully read your Thread and choose to ignore the first part and focus on the last part which is [quote=“GoldenCross, post:1, topic:144509”]
So due to the above, my conclusion is that the ONLY way for Swordsman to PVP is to go Cataphract c3 for max level Trot to increase movement speed, eliminating a lot of need for cc.
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@phillipe_ghelardi forgot the most important part

And trust me @phillipe_ghelardi,there is so much Oracles and PD running around in PVP arenas.
Therefore Swordman C2 or C3 is somewhat useless (not entirely because you might get lucky and have 0 PDs or Oracles on the opposite team).However,if your dueling then that’s another story and your Swordman C2 or C3 might do something going against none PD’s and Oracles.

Pelt C1 and Hop C1 is better than Swordman C3 imo.

#6

I like that you think to have the only true answers for everything xD.

If a cleric doesnt go P.Doctor… then its a crappy player.
If you want pvp with sowrdsman the ONLY way is to use your build.

Dude you need to step down from your pedestal, it wont be good for you, and also u are mistaken in both points… so even more funny :slight_smile:

#7

Agreed. If I want PvP, I’ll probably go HighC2, then CataC3 into DRG.

@Hellkrasher

By all means, try to refute his points like an adult, instead of shittalking like a child.

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#8

I believe Shinobi,Corsair,Rodelero and
Doppelsoeldner can also compete and do as well as the Cata C3/Dragoon or Hop C2 / Cata C3

#9

Looking at how ridiculously good PD is, going kabbalist would probably only mean you want to play with math or play aroumd with revenge sevenhold, maybe. They could put a limit to how many debuff bloodletting could nullify, maybe cap it at 3 and the 4th debuff would apply? Just a suggestion :T

#10

what about this?


i think u can cyclone and don’t get frozen or kocked back? u also have pain barrier…

#11

YES. This is a great attribute, 75% chance to ignore harmful effects. Will be very useful in massive PvP events with that AoE.

Also, can anyone knowledgeable ellaborate on Shinobi for PvP in detail? Seems interesting.
And only when Rodeleros are buffed they would actually become somewhat useful, really.

#12

I read about that and I always wanted what kind of harmful effects it can block,perhaps only AS rank 1.

And this also I wonder

#13

i believe its all kinds of harmfull effects, cus its not 100% and works only during cyclone.
thats why my bet is getting close, using hook (with 3 targets attribute), and clycone. (if my enemy is another swordsman i can use skull swing first, or i can use high level crown if my enemy is magic and i think i wont kill it)

#14

I looked at cyclone as well, by itself it doesn’t do much but with hook at melee range iit’s probably your best chance at landing it due to the cc resistance.
However the biggest problem for non-cataphracts is still the fact that u can be nuked to death by range classes before u even get close, unless u have a Plague doctor yourself to give you cc immunity. However, cyclone’s movement speed is slow and it takes a second to start spinning, enough for the enemy to run away…

#15

Shittalking like a child?

Yeah because im the one saying that anyone not playing P.Doctor is sh1t and the only swordman build is that one. Everyone else in the world is wrong xD.

No need to discuss :stuck_out_tongue:

#16

Plague Doctor is one of the most powerful Rank 7 classes right now, so naturally, every Cleric and their mother are taking it. It’s so good, your options in choosing become limited.

Refute his points about Doctors and Slow\Stun immunity.
Refute his points about Corsairs not that viable in massive PvP.

Then talk. But if you don’t want to discuss, that’s fine, because I don’t see you actually contributing anyway.

#17

So I’m putting my bets on kabbalist being the least chosen rank 7, anyone else?

#18

Wait wait i dont tell u cant go other builds, you can, but right now Sword 3 - Cataphract 3 - Dragoon I THINK its the best.
Even if Plague Docts can destroy all the CC, its better to have CC than have what? Finestra level 5? Block? (Are u really going to use a shield as Cataphract? If you are, ok then maybe its better, but due high mobility what is best, run or block? Thats my point )

So I still think this is the best PvP swordsman build.

Corsairs and Squires will make a GREAT pvp party members, since they a great because the hook skill. But its only that, still lack the mobility, and without it is really hard to get close to all those ranged and magic ataks.
Even more hard if Chrono, Plague, Cataphract, Musketter are in the enemy team.

Thats my point. And please lets talk and debate as adults, theres no need to be agressive/offensive. And by no means I think I am 100% right, its just my opinion. :smiley:

#19

Squire Arrest can be cleanse and prevented (by PD and oracle).Only Iron hook cannot be prevented nor cleansed.Why run or block…? you can go Swordman C1 Pelt C1 Hop C1 Cata C3 and Dragoon C1.Getting block and having 1H with a shield can most likely stop physical payers from damaging you in some degree.Having 2H handed is good as well because you get this from Cata.

40% Block pen

#20

it increases by 40% so its your base block pen +40%, if u dont have SPR its kinda useless in the end