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Excessive Token Benefits

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#1

Please remove the +3 movement speed and extra buff slot from token benefits.

I know people throw P2W around a lot but premium / vip status shouldn’t (aka - token) include anything that would grant users an advantage in a PvP based scenario.

I’d like to see these benefits simply become standard and look into other benefits for token status, like ability to transfer silver from character to character within the same team. ( This could be implimented through team stash easily enough. )

Edit: Removing suggestion of removing potential loss on team storage since this has been implemented.
Edit2: Added suggestion for implimenting team silver trading for token users.

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#2

3 mov speed and 1 buff slot pretty much change nothing in pvp more dungeon mean more cube mean possibility of better items that may change something in pvp and that’s not even related and if you really feel it’s not normal pay for it 9 bucks per month wont kill you just eat less .

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#3

Tokens are extremely cheap on market, it takes less than 3h grind to get one. Therefore P2W argument is invalid.

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#4

So… being faster… and having an additional buff, like Stone Skin, changes nothing in PvP? What planet are you from again?

#5

Uhm, only people that opted into founders currently have accounts, meaning, people with tokens are the vast majority except bots, who can just buy it from market anyway. Of course they’re dirt cheap. Fact of the matter is, it’s VIP status, and it provides unhealthy mechanics, I’d rather see something else in their place and just have those old effects be baseline for everyone.

#6

you can buy daino scroll, be a krivis yourself, lvl that attribute that allows you to get more buffs, or if you refuse all of those, you could just include stone skin in those buffs that fit the limit?
doesn’t seem that game breaking. plus yeah, it’s very cheap to buy one for silver right now

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#7

The inability for people to see beyond a 4 week scope amazes me…

#8

I think I offered you plenty of choices so your comment is invalid.
If you are referring strictly to what I said about token price and you want to plan for the future, you can buy several now, while the price is low.
what is truly game breaking is this bad fps and ping I have cause the game is not well optimized yet

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#9

So what you’re saying is, we should all stock up now, so we can stick it to those f2p scrubs that don’t get in when the going is good.

Gotcha…

None of your “choices” address the problem, which is why I didn’t bother responding to them.

#10

you are basically complaining that it’s unfair that you can’t have +1 buff if you don’t buy a token. I enumerated other ways of getting extra buff slots but you reject them rudely. what I’m trying to tell you is that if you don’t want to spend money on a token you don’t need to. if it is really that important to you to have a token however you can buy it cheap for silver. all those f2p scrubs as you call them can also buy a token for silver if they wish or they can buy one for real money or they can not buy one and still do well.
I would gladly give up my buff spot and my +3 movement speed if I could actually cast my spells when I press that button and not freeze screen. those are the real problems we should be worrying about.

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#11

And how do these address the movement speed bonus?

Inb4: “Oh, just play a mounted class.”

#12

First of all.

Understand I make posts because I like to see QoL changes for the community, this has nothing to do with my own personal limits on the game, since when I play I will always have VIP.

But sure, let me explain to you why it doesn’t address the problem since apparently it’s “r00d” not to.

I feel like the Krivis with token, shouldn’t have one more buff slot than the krivis without token. So that doesn’t honestly address the issue.

That’s like saying you should carry around a chronomancer with you everywhere to make up for the move speed lost. It’s just not feasible, and doesn’t make up for the fact that the one that carries one around with them AND has token will still be that much better.

Fact of the matter is, these aren’t even workarounds.

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#13

I understand your frustration with performance issues in-game, but that still shouldn’t mean we shouldn’t strive for a better / funner overall game for everyone.

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#14

the matter of fact is I can’t even feel the +3 speed, so I still fail to see the benefit I get from it
regarding the buffs, a krivis with vip won’t make a diff because you only have +1 buff for yourself and you’re the supp so it doesn’t really bring much value
and that still leaves daino scroll for all classes and training that attribute. if you want to call them work around ok, I call them alternatives. my point is that +1 buff is not game breaking.
also I never use digits instead of letters when I write so please don’t mock me. I am not being aggressive towards you, am I trying to express my opinion but because it does not match yours you are indeed being rude.

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#15

I agree, +3 speed only pve, quests, no for pvp or gvg.

And remove buff extra. Or for all.

#16

Of course you can’t feel +3 move speed, you’re not chasing or running from someone 3 move speed faster or slower than you.

/thread

#17

no, it’s because I lag and freeze. the game needs optimizing and not token changes right now. I still think it’s more important to concentrate on truly game breaking problems right now.
you have your opinion, I have mine.

#18

It would be easy to put this on a “things to do” list which I assure you IMC already has “said list”, obviously getting the game stable is a priority.

It’s best to get a voice on this now though and not “wait”.

#19

+3 mov and +1 buff is not a problem in PVP

Why are you ranting? extra buff won’t do much difference anyways

#20

Performance issues are definitely on the top of the priorities list, but you can not allow performance issues to make you complacent with bad design decisions.

I can feel it when I am running ahead of someone without a Token and kiting non-Token users in duels.

It is not a “work around”, because Token users always get +1 buff. A Token user can use a Daino scroll and they still get +1 buff over non-Token users using a Daino scroll. There is absolutely no way that a non-Token user can compete, buff-wise, with a Token user.

You may argue; “Well, my Khaleesi, Mother of Dragons, Queen of Meereen, you are never going to have so many buffs on you at once that you will be able to make use of that +1 Token buff when you are using a Daino scroll.”

To which I would argue; “If it doesn’t matter, then remove it. Replace it with something less Pay2Winy.”

It is not so much the effect of the +1 buff that is a problem, so much as the fact that it puts Token users at a level that non-Token users can never reach.

The effect of the +3 movement speed is definitely a problem though.

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