[EN/PT-BR] Theorycrating the best GvG group ever / teorizando a melhor build GvG do mundo

[LargeBanana]

Roses are red
Violet are blue
The forum are in english
The thread should be too

[NotSoAccurateNo1]

This entry there because I want to theorize the best GvG composition (related to the composition of classes) and actually test it, which will need other players are willing to make extreme builds probably not viable hinterland for solar. As this requires players on the same server, and I intend to migrate to the SA server, the rest of this post will be in Portuguese.

Well, the main idea of ​​the party revolves around the Lifeline skill of Linker, which, according to this: https://www.reddit.com/r/treeofsavior/comments/3r74o0/c3_linker_ability_life_line_explained_and_shown/ It allows “distributing” status points in the party according to the highest values ​​of each member for each attribute. That is, assuming that each member of the party maximize an attribute, it is possible that all party members have the highest values ​​of each of the attributes for the duration of the skill.

As the skill lasts 30 seconds and cooldown of 60s, to make viable build is required Cronomancer with skill Pass to reduce the cooldown to take 100% uptime.

Accordingly, I tried to assemble five different Bulds that:

Maximize a single attribute each
Have maximum synergy with the other players, no matter much how feasible is to build on the ground
Bring the greatest possible use to setting GvG
Without further ado, the five builds that rode follows:
http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/h5zru4g8e5/
http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/g8qu71bj07/
http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/dag5bzl41i/
http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/l139jc8qdy/
http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/7xei1zqnez/
Basically the composition is

[FULL CON] Cryo 3 / Linker 3 to give freeze for ice wall and to link the enemies / party
[FULL INT] Wiz 3 / Kino 1 / Cronomancer to increase attack speed, give combo Psy + Ice Wall and reduce cooldowns
[FULL SPR] Priest 3 / Chaplain / Dievrby / Plague Doctor for buffs, heals, revives / ressurect and prevent status effects on party
[FULL DEX] Archer / Wugushi / Rogue for high damage
[FULL STR] Cleric / Krivis / Monk to increase maximum buffs, give buffs, heals and damage
The party is only really appealing on rank 7, when the cronomancer gets the pass to reduce the cooldown allowing 100% uptime on the lifeline. Assuming that things work as I imagine they work, this party would be Godlike, would have to 350+ all attributes 100% of the time, absurdly high damage because of attack speed + Link (Quicken + Kneeling Shot shared in party) , ridiculous evasion (Swift Step + Evasion), Block ridiculous Chance (Stone Skin), reflect damage high (Reflect Shield + Iron Skin), immunity to status effects (Plague Doctor) and immunity to damage (golden bell shield + ressurect). This with a good CC (Cyomancer / Linker)

This build potentially would be able to make trivial / easy much if not all the PvE content of the game, and possibly be indestructible in PvP. At the expense of course the fact that the builds are practically infeasible to play alone.

Good guys and then, what do you think? Suggest improvements pras builds / have other better builds attributes FULL something? None of builds uses swordsman because honestly I do not know much 1. and 2. I did not see any buff that is absurdly indispensable for party makeup. They are needed two Wiz because you can not get to Link 3 and Crono 3 in the same build, and Cleric / Priest / Žaibas / Plague Doctor are extremely good for buffs. Archer might be replaced, although the DPS / debuff evasion seem difficult to replace with something better.

And good, has 4 more madmen who want to try to FULL builds some freaked out with me? do not intend to do this as main (I’m not as sadomasochistic so), then the idea would be to play weekends 5 together to eventually get endgame. Another possibility is to use stat reset potion

Google Translate is easy though.

[teonimesic]

Did you read the description? It is in english, and I explain quite clearly what I intend to do and why it makes no sense for it to be in English as, well, all of SA Server players whom I intend to test it with don’t speak english as their native language. I could translate it tomorrow when servers are down and I have nothing to do.

[LargeBanana]

read what i wrote correctly, i’m not complaining, i’m telling you the right thing to do in which if you want to ignore it’s up to you.

but i don’t like to encourage people to not use international language because this is international forum.

[teonimesic]

Or just google translate it I guess… Most of it is understandable, at least from a PT-BR point of view. Anyway, what do you actually think about this crazy group idea?

[NotSoAccurateNo1]

I actually didn’t read it because I’m not interested in GvG. I know I know… why join the thread, right?

[teonimesic]

well you are kinda right I guess, edited the original post with english as well. Can you give some feedback about the builds now?

[LargeBanana]

where is the tank in that? i mean swordsman tank.

[teonimesic]

Actually, while the main focus is obviously GvG, it could potentially be one of the best PvE parties as well. Maybe with a few changes, such as adding a Rune Caster and making Cryo go Wiz 3 for quick cast. The archer could be replaced with a Swordsman with Petalsta / Rodelero to taunt / tank.

It does allows this combo somewhat (needs a Rune Caster to be complete): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvPq47io95Y, so soloing bosses would be pretty easy.

[teonimesic]

Since the main focus would be GvG is tank needed? Taunt does anything to players? Also, considering everyone in the party will have super high CON/DEX and SPR and many, many buffs, is a tank even needed at all?

[Sensate]

No Oracle or Kabbalist? Blasphemy!

[LargeBanana]

now that i think about it, yeah that’s true also i don’t see the reason why you need monk in there.

[teonimesic]

Well, a second cleric is interesting because of Daino, higher lvl safety zone, more heals and divine might. And monk adds more DPS (since a lot of the classes are Support, more DPS is important). Energy Blast, from what I’ve read (no real proof / test) increases with both Matk and Atk, and can crit, making it amazing if you have high INT/STR/DEX. It also comboes with Ice Wall making it awesome for PvE content, which is also desirable at a lesse degree.

But feel free to suggest other party compositions, I certainly don’t “own” the best possible group, and it probably is different in game from what I actually think it will be like XD

[Darkon]

Very interesting XD

Now… I wonder. Check out an earlier thread I made:

AOE Defense Ratio; the strongest GvG stat perhaps?

So I was checking in on the Hair Accessory post I'd made when I came to a startling realization... For GvG the AOE Defense Ratio stat has to be about the single most important stat possible that I can think of o.o I didn't put a lot of thought into it before but.. hear me out. And feel free to offer forth your opinions in the thread. Stacking that stat could change the tide in GvG and I expect some of the more successful guilds in GvGs will be doing this from now on o.o Players start with a …

I wonder if a C3 Linker takes more than just the base stats? i.e. Could a Linker share the highest AOE Defense Ratio of the team? If one person managed to get 3 hair accessories, and there is a shield or something that gives +2 AOE Defense Ratio, and probably more out there as well… I wonder if that would give the whole party like +5-8 extra AOE Defense Ratio just if the tank is equipped properly for it?

o.o

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[teonimesic]

Did you even bother reading my post? Having max ALL attributes on everyone in the party for everything seems pretty OP. Do explain why 2 monks, 2 paladins and 1ful support would be better?

[PrinceMark]

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[teonimesic]

According to these images:

I would say no, it doesn’t. The only things that changed are the ones directly related to stats, such as hp/sp pool, hp/sp regen, physical/magical attack, crit rate/attack and accuracy. Things like physical defense, block penetration and AoE ration (which are all based on gear rather than stats) did not change.

[Darkon]

Doh… was worth a shot! XD

If you ever get a dream team together though I’d suggest stacking AOE Defense Ratio =P Seriously prevents a ton of damage to the party/guild as a whole XD

[teonimesic]

I’ve changed the Archer build to include Scout, as, according to this: Spiritual Chain compilation (LOOKING FOR ASSISTANCE - KLAIPEDA SERVER) allows the entire party to get invisible using spiritual chain (at least on iCBT, uncofirmed for iTOS). Making the entire party invisible surely seems better than adding more damage with poison, because it allows to set up ice wall/psy combo and also to focus on enemy healers/clerics or even to regroup and heal if losing.