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[EN/PT-BR] Theorycrating the best GvG group ever / teorizando a melhor build GvG do mundo

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#1

This post exists because I want to theorize the best GvG build possible ( regarding class composition ) and actually try it, which will require other players that are willing to do extreme builds which are not likely viable for solo content. This will require players to be on the same server, and since I intend to trasnfer to the SA Server I will translate it into portugese below.

Esse post existe porque eu quero teorizar a melhor composição GvG possível (relacionado à composição das classes) e de fato testá-lo, o que vai necessitar de outros jogadores estarem dispostos a fazer builds extremas que provavelmente não sertão viáveis para solar. Como isso requer jogadores no mesmo servidor, e eu pretendo migrar para o servidor SA, o vou traduzir pra portugues abaixo.

Well, the main idea of ​​the party revolves around the Linker skill Lifeline, which, according to this: https://www.reddit.com/r/treeofsavior/comments/3r74o0/c3_linker_ability_life_line_explained_and_shown/ allows “distributing” status points in the party according to the highest values ​​of each member for each attribute. That is, assuming that each member of the party maximize an attribute, it is possible that all party members have the highest values ​​of each of the attributes for the duration of the skill. See post #20 for an example.

As the skill lasts 30 seconds and has a cooldown of 60s, to make it viable it is required a Cronomancer with skill Pass to reduce the cooldown allowing it to have 100% uptime.

In light of this, I tried to assemble five different bulds which:

  • Maximize a single attribute each
  • Have maximum synergy with the other characters, no matter much how unfeasible they are by themselves
  • Brings the highest possible utility to a GvG context

Without further ado, the five builds are:





Basically the composition has

  • [FULL CON] Cryo 3 / Linker 3 to freeze, ice wall and link enemies / party
  • [FULL INT] Wiz 3 / Kino 1 / Cronomancer to increase attack speed, Psy + Ice Wall combo and cooldowns reductions
  • [FULL SPR] Priest 3 / Chaplain / Dievrby / Plague Doctor for buffs, heals, revives / ressurect and prevent status effects on party
  • [FULL DEX] Archer / Scout / Rogue for high damage, evasion buff and invisibility to entire party
  • [FULL STR] Cleric / Krivis / Monk to increase maximum number of buffs, give buffs, heals and damage

The party is only really appealing on rank 7 and onwards, when the cronomancer gets the skill Pass to reduce cooldowns, allowing 100% uptime on the lifeline skill. Assuming that things work as I imagine they do, this party would be Godlike, would have to 350+ all attributes 100% of the time, absurdly high damage because of attack speed + Link (Quicken + Kneeling Shot shared in party) , ridiculous evasion (Swift Step + Evasion), Block ridiculous Chance (Stone Skin), high reflect damage (Reflect Shield + Iron Skin), immunity to status effects (Plague Doctor) and immunity to damage (golden bell shield + ressurect). And all with while also having good CC (Cyomancer / Linker)

This build potentially makes most game content trivial / easy, and is possibly indestructible in PvP. At the expense of course that the builds are practically infeasible to play by themselves without being in a party.

So guys, what do you think? Do you have suggestions to improve builds / have better builds with FULL something? None of builds uses swordsman because 1. honestly I do not have much knowledge about it and 2. I did not see any buff that is absurdly indispensable for party composition. Two Wiz are needed because you can’t get Link 3 and Crono 3 in the same build, and Cleric / Priest / Žaibas / Plague Doctor are extremely good for buffs. Archer might be replaced, although the DPS, evasion buff and party invisibility seems difficult to replace with something better.

So, any other 4 players mad enought who want to try to FULL builds with me? I do not intend to do this as main (I’m not that sadomasochistic), so the idea would be to play weekends together to eventually get into endgame. Another possibility is to use a stat reset potion :slight_smile:

Now in portuguese / agora em português:

Bom, a idéia principal da party gira em torno da skill Lifeline do Linker, que, de acordo com isto: https://www.reddit.com/r/treeofsavior/comments/3r74o0/c3_linker_ability_life_line_explained_and_shown/ permite “distribuir” pontos de status na party de acordo com os valores mais altos de cada membro em cada atributo. Ou seja, supondo que cada membro da party maximize um atributo, seria possível que todos os membros da party tenham os valores mais altos de cada um dos atributos pela duração da skill. Veja o post #20 para um exemplo.

Como a skill tem duração de 30 segundos e cooldown de 60s, para tornar a build viável é necessário um Cronomancer com a skill Pass para redução do cooldown de forma a ter 100% de uptime.

De acordo com isso, tentei montar 5 bulds diferentes que:

  • Maximize um único atributo cada
  • Tenha o máximo de sinergia com os outros players, não importando muito o quão viável é a build em solo
  • Traga a maior utilidade possível para cenário GvG

Sem mais demoras, as 5 builds que montei seguem:





Basicamente a composição é

  • [FULL CON] Cryo 3 / Linker 3 pra dar freeze, por ice wall e dar link nos inimigos/party
  • [FULL INT] Wiz 3 / Kino 1 / Cronomancer pra aumentar attack speed, dar combo de Psy + Ice Wall e reduzir cooldowns
  • [FULL SPR] Priest 3 / Chaplain / Dievrby / Plague Doctor pra buffs, heals, revive/ressurect e impedir status effects na party
  • [FULL DEX] Archer / Scout / Rogue pra dano alto, buff de evasão e invisibildade pra party toda
  • [FULL STR] Cleric / Krivis / Monk pra aumentar quantidade máxima de buffs, dar buffs, heals e dano

A party só fica realmente apelativa no rank 7, quando o cronomancer pega o pass pra reduzir o cooldown permitindo 100% de uptime no lifeline. Supondo que as coisas funcionam como imagino que elas funcionem, essa party seria bem Godlike, daria pra ter 350+ de todos os atributos 100% do tempo, danos absurdamente altos por causa de attack speed + Link (Quicken + Kneeling Shot compartilhado em party), evasion ridículo (Swift Step + Evasion), Block Chance ridículo (Stone Skin), reflect damage alto (Reflect Shield + Iron Skin), imunidade a status effects (Plague Doctor) e imunidade a dano (golden bell shield + ressurect). Isso com um bom CC (Cyomancer / Linker)

Essa build potencialmente seria capaz de tornar trivial / fácil grande parte senão todo o conteúdo PvE do jogo, e ser possivelmente indestrutível em PvP. Às custas é claro do fato de que as builds são praticamente inviáveis para se jogar sozinho.

Bom e aí galera, o que acham? Sugerem melhorias pras builds / possuem outras builds melhores de atributos FULL alguma coisa? Nenhuma das builds usa swordsman porque sinceramente 1. Não conheço tanto e 2. Não vi nenhum buff que seja absurdamente indispensável pra composição da party. São necessário dois Wiz porque não dá pra pegar Link 3 E Crono 3 em uma mesma build, e Clérigo / Priest / Zaibas / Plague Doctor são extremamente bons pelos buffs. O Archer talvez possa ser substituído, apesar de que o DPS/buff de evasion e invisibilidade pra party parecem dificeis de substituir por algo melhor.

E bom, tem mais 4 loucos que querem tentar fazer builds FULL algum treco junto comigo? Não pretendo fazer isso como main (não sou tão sadomasoquista assim), então a idéia seria jogar de finais de semana os 5 juntos para eventualmente chegar em endgame. Outra possibilidade é usar stat reset potion :slight_smile:

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#2

Roses are red
Violet are blue
The forum are in english
The thread should be too

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#3

Google Translate is easy though.

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#4

Did you read the description? It is in english, and I explain quite clearly what I intend to do and why it makes no sense for it to be in English as, well, all of SA Server players whom I intend to test it with don’t speak english as their native language. I could translate it tomorrow when servers are down and I have nothing to do.

#6

read what i wrote correctly, i’m not complaining, i’m telling you the right thing to do in which if you want to ignore it’s up to you.

but i don’t like to encourage people to not use international language because this is international forum.

#7

Or just google translate it I guess… Most of it is understandable, at least from a PT-BR point of view. Anyway, what do you actually think about this crazy group idea?

#8

I actually didn’t read it because I’m not interested in GvG. I know I know… why join the thread, right?

#9

well you are kinda right I guess, edited the original post with english as well. Can you give some feedback about the builds now? :smiley:

#10

where is the tank in that? i mean swordsman tank.

#11

Actually, while the main focus is obviously GvG, it could potentially be one of the best PvE parties as well. Maybe with a few changes, such as adding a Rune Caster and making Cryo go Wiz 3 for quick cast. The archer could be replaced with a Swordsman with Petalsta / Rodelero to taunt / tank.

It does allows this combo somewhat (needs a Rune Caster to be complete): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvPq47io95Y, so soloing bosses would be pretty easy.

#12

Since the main focus would be GvG is tank needed? Taunt does anything to players? Also, considering everyone in the party will have super high CON/DEX and SPR and many, many buffs, is a tank even needed at all?

#13

No Oracle or Kabbalist? Blasphemy!

#14

now that i think about it, yeah that’s true also i don’t see the reason why you need monk in there.

#15

Well, a second cleric is interesting because of Daino, higher lvl safety zone, more heals and divine might. And monk adds more DPS (since a lot of the classes are Support, more DPS is important). Energy Blast, from what I’ve read (no real proof / test) increases with both Matk and Atk, and can crit, making it amazing if you have high INT/STR/DEX. It also comboes with Ice Wall making it awesome for PvE content, which is also desirable at a lesse degree.

But feel free to suggest other party compositions, I certainly don’t “own” the best possible group, and it probably is different in game from what I actually think it will be like XD

#16

Very interesting XD

Now… I wonder. Check out an earlier thread I made:

I wonder if a C3 Linker takes more than just the base stats? i.e. Could a Linker share the highest AOE Defense Ratio of the team? If one person managed to get 3 hair accessories, and there is a shield or something that gives +2 AOE Defense Ratio, and probably more out there as well… I wonder if that would give the whole party like +5-8 extra AOE Defense Ratio just if the tank is equipped properly for it?

o.o

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#18

Did you even bother reading my post? Having max ALL attributes on everyone in the party for everything seems pretty OP. Do explain why 2 monks, 2 paladins and 1ful support would be better?

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#20

According to these images:

I would say no, it doesn’t. The only things that changed are the ones directly related to stats, such as hp/sp pool, hp/sp regen, physical/magical attack, crit rate/attack and accuracy. Things like physical defense, block penetration and AoE ration (which are all based on gear rather than stats) did not change.

#21

Doh… was worth a shot! XD

If you ever get a dream team together though I’d suggest stacking AOE Defense Ratio =P Seriously prevents a ton of damage to the party/guild as a whole XD