@Takemi No problem and thanks for understanding. 
I donât know whatâs sadder, me quoting myself or the fact that the âchimeâ which used to alert me of âgood lootâ is now just another thing I really couldnât care about if the DPK threshold was not yet reached.
I cant make heads or tails of all this dpk speculation, all I know is ive been farming socket horns, grand cross recipes, rapid bangle recipes, and hunter bangle recipes for 3 months pretty regularly and I tend to see them in the same time frame, and ceratin drops have a pattern. When I farm grand cross recipe I almost always get 3 magnus gloves recipes, then my GC recipe. All I can take away from this massive theory thread is; when you get the drop you wanted, switch channels.
The way DPK is implemented right now is unacceptable.
This system needs to be reworked. Add a chance for DPK items to drop on every kill and nobody would complain.
To prove my point that you are able to predict drop times:
I was able to STEAL, yes, STEAL a gem somebody else was farming that week and was really close at stealing a second gem (Two channels had a person farming it).
I checked the channels occasionally and was able to estimate the day the gem would drop. I knew from personal experience that you can kill around 300 monsters per hour.
Cropped the images so they donât take up too much space:
Blue Orb dropped. Note that I didnât kill 2,949 archers that day, I started at around 2,600, so minimum effort.
Red Orb dropped shortly after. I was a bit surprised because I thought itâd take another 500 kills but oh well.
Asked a friend to help me secure the gem.
Well, it didnât drop for myself and he accidentally picked it up so I had to trade it but oh well⊠I can just steal another one with barely any effort.
TL;DR: ToSâ Drop System is DISGUSTING and ANTI-SOCIAL, PLEASE CHANGE IT!!
I donât want to be a thief but the system wants me to be oneâŠ
Sorry to the person I stole this gem from!
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could you provide a general breakdown of the dpk for the running shot gem from the deadborn scap archer in kings plateau, you seem to have a good idea of it specifically, I am farming it in an empty channel after maintenance so I know I have to start from scratch, wondering the general # needed assuming no-one else passes through and gets it, what items drop prior, blue orb etc, thank you
but then if we have that DPK rule.
I got 4-5pcs of Ginkgo leaf
from Blue Fragaras which says here that only 1% drop rate?
i killed 6-7 of that monster then it drop 2 leaf then killed again then 2-3leaf? -_-
If this DPK conspiracy is true than DPK for Wizard Bracelet is 1000 Kills
Was alone on whole channel right after server restart
It dropped at 1k (was easy to count as I was never there with that character)
Also got 7 Superior Key pendant, much less than I usualy get when I contest spawns with someone else.
Couldnt check it on other channel as ppl started slowly trickle in and couldnt be bothered to contend with them (advantage of being only one there was recycling spanws only in small area so if DPK was true only place monster with item I wanted could appear was my farm)
As you can see by my kill count for Deadborn Scap Archer, I have way less than 10,000 kills which I would claim is the DPK value for EVERY monster gem, but that is hard to confirm of course.
I have yet to farm it completely from 0 to 10,000 and Iâm not sure if I ever will, knowing that my gem could get stolen by a random playerâŠ
DPK values (±5-10% random value added after every drop):
Hard Veris Gloves: 100 DPK
Sestas Crossbow: I couldnât confirm but it is definitely higher than 2,000 maybe even around 5,000, who knows.
Hard to determine this one because I have never farmed enough archers to drop another one
Deadborn Scap Archer Gem: 10,000 DPK
Blue and Red Orbs: Iâm still not a 100% certain but they share around the same DPK value as the gem but TEND to drop a bit sooner than the gem.
I you see an orb drop then keep at it because the monster gem is, at max, 1,000 kills away OR you actually missed it by a few hundred kills because of variance.
Some other tips:
I hope this helps.
@faterue
Ginkgo Leaf is a regular item with a random chance to drop (1% chance), nothing wrong here.
It is a bit confusing but this has already been explained multiple times in this thread:
DPK items in tosbase are marked with ?%, probably because the DPK values couldnât be datamined (Most likely because itâs checked server side).
This only applies to monsters up to level 200(?) or around that level because drop tables were removed from the client files before new monsters were added.
Thatâs why you only see ?% chances on level 200+ monsters even though some or most of those drops are not DPK, the actual chance is just unknown.
@faterue Ginkgo Leaves were never rare.
And also, itâs been said before that those you see with a numerical figure in Tosbase are RNG drops versus those that have ? as their figure (DPK).
thank you, I farmed 1,000 kills today right after maint. and got 2 hunter bow recipes and a crap ton of gloves, going to hit it again tomm, the ch has been empty so I doubt between now and tomm somesones gonna kill 9k, they spawn so slowly and only a handful ata time, with a scout3 with double sissels, max peta, awakened +10 bow and t6 gems I can still only kill 200-300 an hr b/c the crap spawns
Iâm guessing Oracle + Chronos for machinegun resetting with double pay.
You need to brush up on the information provided, repeated, reiterated and regurgitated in this thread.
Once more, anyone can âgetâ the item theyâre looking for even with low kills (like the gem I got in 2 kills, literally 2 monsters, I posted it a bit above) if the needed amount of kills were previously obtained by someone else and/or you happen to be the one to kill the Nth mob needed to reach the DPK threshold. Try it this way (you probably wonât), go to a channel where youâre the only person in, after you get that Recipe, DONâT LEAVE the channel and continue to farm for the next one (provided that no one comes along to ruin your plans) and youâll understand what this is all about.
On that way 
Why not do it with Battle Bracelets instead?
Because there are too many bot there. They always ruim my farm.
I got some feedback from friends and the probably DPK from venier is around 1120.
Venier recipes in silute having a hard time in AH.
Yeah Iâve only managed to sell one of mine so far, on Klaipeda. The Swordsman population is dwindling hard and most of them werenât Fencers to begin with.
@Slygoat That Oracle better be Diev-Oracle as well. And the 3 of them better all be IRL friends or thereâs gonna be some drama 
Thats why there is one venier recipe in AH for weeks.
And for battle bracelets, we have some expeculation DPK is about 110~120 kills. I donât know if is true or not, but is possible.
Thatâd make JR really good for battle bracelets if it could actually trigger equipment drops.
Hunting Bow is a normal drop (0.33%) thatâs why I didnât mention it.
If you have sacrament, auto attacking them once should be enough, no high Equipment needed.
Though Wind Runners and/or the penguin mount are nice to move faster around the map.
Yes, 300 is around the maximum you can kill per hour, so kill enough every day to reach 10,000 before the next maintenance.
Even if you kill 1,500 per day itâd still take 6 days to reach 9,000, keep that in mind.
