Hi!
I’m planning to make a swordie alt while waiting for R8 and I want to know your opinions on which of these two builds will yield me more DPS for PvE, ET and other R8 content (PvP is of less priority):
1.) Sw1 - Pelt1 - Hop3 - Doppel1 - Drag2
2.) Sw1 - HL1 - Barb3 - Doppel3
This is purely on a DPS standpoint, so not having Swashbuckling is fine with me.
If you have any other DPS builds that you think are better than those 2, please let me know.
Thanks in advance! 
Uh of the 2 i would go with the second cuz hop is annoying to play for PvE lol.
thanks for the reply. can you elaborate on why Hop is annoying to play for PvE?
Mainly cuz hop3 builds usually go str cuz finestra gives crit and has evasion penalty but then skills like stabbing needs you to stand still so you need to tank all that damage (cuz no evasion). If pain barrier is on cooldown it is even more annoying if you get knocked back constantly when you try to do DPS. The buffed spear throw will help.
Dont even get me started on hitboxes lol.
Final point dont expect to win any duels while levelling him. I was challenged to duels all the time on my hop3 and lost all of them. So i ditched him and started a cata3 keke.
hmm… i see… so Stabbing wont be of much use late game then.
how about the Cyclone 5 from Dopp1 and Dragoon skills? are they inferior interms of overall DPS compared to Dopp3 skills?
I only got up to hop3 before i quit him so somepne else can answer about dop and drg.
some say
sw1-hl3-hop2-dragoon2
crossguard+skull swing+spear lunge then spam all dragoon skill
also can bleed
but that just my opinion
They have Serpentine debuff that allows you to deal 100% more melee damage for 5 seconds, but is usually used with Dragoon2’s Dethrone (which has 16k base skill damage iirc @ lvl 5). Doppel gets two skills and at least 4 new attributes but most of them are fake-multi hits, but you’ll still get two slash debuffs in Cleave and Zwerchhau.
Haven’t played Dragoon, and I’m a little bit biased with Doppel. But both are good. You could also try Fencer, those 3 are actually shining right now in R8.
well, this seems interesting. ill look into it. thanks.
thanks for your inputs. ill guess i’ll have to try both builds then. i wish i have time to develop both. lol
just a little hint
fencer R8, only need skill, no need attribute at all
dragoon R8 you need attribute, cost million
but you ask about doppel vs dragoon, so thats just a hint
you still need attributes for Attaque Composee 
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Also no attribuites also means - 100% damage ( excluding epee garde which is a free buff and you need venier .).
Swordsman are all equally expensive. Due to weapon demand and builds
since your aim is for DPS for PVE
then doppel is better in thats aspect (PVE,AOE,damage)
Drag 2 build is better for bossing
Drag 2 is alot better in other aspect though (better pvp, better boss dmg etc:)
well if your fund is low i suggest you go for dragoon since its good damage build with better synergy in the build
doppel build can only outshine drag with omfgweapon (due to DOV 10+) so its take alot of silver
btw. if you want to go for dop3 i suggest can go with Sw1-HL3-Barb1-Dop3 since its give you more utility
how about for ET? is Drag still viable?
fencer R8 no need atribut, attaque compose is fencer R7
i’ll leave it at that
Every one is viable in ET. ET is just how a group carry out their role effectively using their class.
Advantages class will only lies on whoever can deal out X aoe dmg over situation. Which is why meme is favor over on floor1 ( hogmas block are irritating).
That would also means you will be losing 100% damage in Fleche and Attque Au Fer.
O_o…, P.s Serpentine is also r7 as well , just that R8 gives you a additional debuff for 5 second (previously 10). You still can do decent damgae without on dethrone + lunge. Serp just give you even more.
Fleche doesn’t have attributes atm, not sure if it’s a bug or intended, but it’s still strong despite that thanks to base damage, range, hit box and epee.
Well gotta agree with that… Still that 100% damage much qq.