Wonder if DEX will increase Spear Throw’s animation speed, if that so, beside the SP burn fest, it will do some huge dmg real quick
The more I see the dragoon as it is right now on the patch the more it fits my dragoontank:
The skill are more and more oriented as a support dps than a DPS standalone.
Gaebulg became the hard hitting dragoon skill while keeping its support power.
Serpentine due to extreme SP cost will become a 1 point skill (50% extra cost)
Dethrone is suffering about having to much utility on it (heavy range, debuff even on boss) and its becoming more and more a tanking tool. This nerf will be a huge impact on PvP performance of Dragoon
What is really bugging me right now is the value of the skill Factor of spear lunge making it a really heavy hitting skill…
That’s funny to see that every Cataphract skills have inferior multipliers than swordsman C3 for exemple, enjoy your R4-6 class :).
Dragoon is overkilled : Dethrone suck, Serpentine hard nerfed.
Only Gae Bulg have good damage but you will throw your weapon by using it lol.
Just to compare, take a Cleric, take Inquisitor : 3x 1500% with your God Smash.
Monk ? Some spells have 1800% multiplier
Archer ? lol, look Musketeer / Cannoneer and classes above xDDD …
Swordsman 3 / Cataphract 3 / Dragoon 2, maybe soon 3, will not be a good build.
Ye, all Cata spell are nerfed… can’t understand so much hate for cataphracts
Comments by stupid players like you are so annoying.
“Oh god a Monk has 1800% multiplier skill now! So broken and my Dragoon only has 750%! Lol time to quit!”
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Keep in mind that Finger Flick is a single target skill with 25s CD without overheat. Dethrone has 16s CD deals 2x 750% which should be somewhere around 1200% after armor with huge AoE and cc and also useable by weapons that have more than 30% more base damage than anything a monk can wear and of course 2 overheat.
One must be stupid as it can get by just looking at the number and saying it’s bad. Pretty sure that the Dethrone damage gets reduced further.
IMC finally starts balancing damage. I guess the Cata dmg nerf came from that every skill a Cata has brings a very good CC. Watching the actual trends (because none of these numbers are set in stone) it seems like IMC takes down the dmg from most hard CCs at the moment which is how it should be.
Cryo still has far too much dmg this will be lowered hard soon I guess.
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Ye, according to data so far, almost all cryo spell are nerfed
While dragontooh, dragon soar seems to be buffed, along with the huge buff on Gae bulg
you mean 619% on ktest right now hopefully it won’t go under that when they implement it lol
I haven’t gotten through much of the info yet, but will the return damage be nerfed or left as it is?
They didn’t change it, but i bet it will be worse (for the attacker) since shields base defense was buffed.
I was thinking that too
You truly want to be credible by insulting someone at first (be polite and less agressive, it will not kill you), then, compare the power of a R6 skill, to a R8 skill ? Also, that’s only 619% x2 atm on KR server, not 750x2.
Dethrone is your R8 skill and deal less damage than Dragoon C1 skills. Why someone will take Dethrone if they can take Lancer instead ?
Now, you will explain without any troll, why swordsman 3 damage is better than every Cataphract skills if you think that they have “so strong cc” and why the impaler, the only true interessting CC here is also the only skill with good ratio. Also, you will explain us why Rush, a R6 high CD spell deal less damage per hit level 5 than a single auto-hit …
The Cryo can have a 1200% big AoE spell with 3 overheat, so i don’t think that they care all about some knockback. If the truly want to balance CC, why did they don’t kill restain ? To be honest, that’s a stupid skill, just here because swordsman lack too much things in PvP.
And if you want to talk about weapon damage and % damage : look at the cannoneer …
If you want to see a very strong CC with very high damage, look Corsair hook … Corsair C1 and you understand why Dragoon C2 sucks.
Of course, that’s the first changes. I hope that it will be rebalanced well later. The strongest skills should be the most unique / signature spells. The feeling is one of the most important thing in that sort of game.
If you have 5 spells with similar damage for exemple, the feeling will not be so cool. But if your spell with the best visual / sensation to use / high rank is more powerfull, it encourage you to XP that 330 levels …
So are you saying only % matter and skill base atk value is nothing?
Cause I still see Dethrone way stronger than Serpentine if you count the base skill damage. Please advise.
edit - nvm, there’s no skill base atk 
For Hop Goons it all matters on how much CRIT Rate we can get, and how the formula works in actual gameplay. If we can achieve a decently high CRIT Rate then going High DEX, Mid/Low CON, 1H+Shield, Leather, may be one of the best options. Finestra’s CRIT Rate is huge, and the Block bonus will help make up for the loss of Evasion, Leather for CRIT Rate, Accuracy, and maybe a little Evasion. We can have a high damage, high survivability build that we did before. 2H will do more damage still of course, but it’ll really miss out on the general high survivability that we have the potential for.
The alternative would be doubling down on our low Evasion, just going Plate with STR/CON, Finestra would turn into a little bit of extra damage/Block from the occasional Crit, which seems like a bit of a waste. I think we’d be worse off than before if this turns out to be the more viable option.
Right now though, so much can change. This is all just early thoughts as there are months until it comes to ITOS. For the time being, we need to know what the new Crit Rate is like.
The dev got pawned by dragoon 2 over and over again even though he was using Wiz or Cleric meta pvp build. Thats why he thought Quintain and Dethrone should be of equal damage instead of thinking on cancerous cleric and wizard non-damage skills.
IMC said non-damage skills will be the next on chopping board (or so they said). If the soon to be nerfed non-damage skills were not hard as they would be with the damage skills. Then lost hope, tree of clerics indeed, the devs are really the plethora of garbage balancing. I expect Ausrine, R7F, MH, safetywalls, heal, revive, stone skin, raise, magnetic force, haste, stop, Subzero shield, Beak Mask, Bloodletting, Gohei, Cloaking etc should suffer huge nerf like they did with Dethrone.
Just for fairness sake. Specially if you think Dethrone deserved to be nerfed like that.
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Just one thing I kinda want to add: IMO one thing unbalanced from Dethrone was high damage + Lv.3 hard CC (PvP) in a single skill.
dethrone is ranged and have root debuff and 2 hit
blessing is like 2k+ dmg now
dragoon skills are multihit
more chance to restrain, more concentrate
still gud
lancers skill are single hit, and you need to go closer also, they deserve the damage
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It is if youre not cleric or non con build, the nerf would be fair as long as non-damage skills should follow too, with the same heavy nerf.
In my server in tels, Clerics and Top wiz can eat trans 10 dethrone with no problem. Dealing only half of Cleric,Wiz HP. Cannon Blast/Broadhead/Koochaksal + cloaking are more reliable than Dethrone IMO, with RF7 and Ausrine all over the place. My guildmate broadhead is killing top players with greater accuracy than my other guildmate’s Dethrone with trans 9 Regard pike.
Blind/immobility only last 3 or 5 secs? Pretty sure Dragoons dont mind removing the added CC in exchange of preserving high skill damage. You dont even see Dragoon 2 dominating TBL. You probably see 1 or 2 but not as frequent as with Clerics and Wizards meta pvp in highest ranking.
If i could wish IMC should do with dethrone, preserve the niche or the signature of the class, let dethrone be the highest percent multiplier of all the skills because that was IMC advertised with the players. Rebalancing is good, nerfing the skill from top damager to poop tier is selective justice.
@mleo1 it is only good on paper but not on practical manner. Specially non-damage skills overshadow or could melt the damage. Pretty sure as dragoon 2 user like yourself, Dethrone is not guaranteed top rank in TBL.
Anyway, Quintain is just a bonus for Lancer. Lancer niche is not on Quintain, but from utilities. Dragoon niche is high skill damage. Basically Dragoon 2 would be out of job if you remove the signature.
One of ways to preserve the skill is to make Dethrone with 3 overheats + remove serpentine debuff and apply the debuff on Dethrone instead. 1 hit of Dethrone would apply 50% additional damage from physical debuff.
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God, don’t forget that Dethrone will go up to skilllevel 10 when Dragoon C3 comes out…
Comparing a skill that is at 50-70% of its true power to some fully-leveled skills and saying that it’s bad feels ridiculous if you take that into consideration.
Of course skills with lower Rank numbers have lower base modifiers, and of course skills that are only at level 5 of possible level 10-15 will have a lot less base damage - that’s because they got overhauled to scale with % now so that the damage increase is now way better once you invest in your skills.
Also, don’t forget that, even if the damage of Dethrone is “reduced”, the damage of all 90%+ of your other skills is increased!!! All those Swordsman skills now hit for a lot of damage e.g. compared to what they did before, have low CD times (or none like Thrust), so your overall damage can only increase… Just stop relying on only 1 skill to deal damage, since Swordsman has so many of those damage skills and now so many possibilities opened up.
You are not “Dragoon” only like in Final Fantasy e.g. but Swordsman + X + X (+ possible X,X,X)+ Dragoon xD
So does quintain lvl 5 would be lvl 15 in the future.
Ok, care to educate me on PVP now for dragoons, seems you know a lot regarding swordsman PVP build. Because youre ok with these and seems like you know how to build current swordsman, there is no doubt if you built Dragoon 2 will be top tier.
What are these skills you speak of than can be use on PVP. Instead of people like me relying only on 1 skill (shake my head).