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Just confirmed it with another kToS tester.
It’s exactly as I said, it disappears after the hit count which is (skill level). It’s pretty bad currently, only good for bosses.
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alright thanks, so just to be clear again…
If you use an AOE skill (literally 1 hit) on 5 mobs, then its considered as 5 hits right?
damn damn damn.
yEah xD.
And a skill that has multi dots is multi hit too.
You would need to activate it close to the enemy dieing.
And it really is only worth against bosses given the info from kcbt testers.
alright then, thanks!!!
Or gold/silver mob or blue mob 'x ’
I’d still use it, especially when trying to find rare drop from an uncommon spawn (Vubbe Fighter in Mine, Glysadon in Cathedral)
And if it really is 2x the exp earned, you can probably combine it with Overkill bonus for a good chunk of exp.
Something like
Gather enemies
DPE
Use one big AoE that Overkill them.
Much exp.
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Vubbe blood is DPK based, but I understand your point.
I still think points can be spent better somewhere else.
It is still 2x every minute, and only when you for sure can kill the enemy within the limited hits.
You could just pick up the other doppel skills, kill things faster with more skills that naturally have high damage, and get more than 2x exp/drops per minute in the long run.
I’m sure someone will figure some way to make some benefit out of it. With the rarity of blue mobs (they are as rare as gold mobs now) now, I think it’s just not very useful at all.
At level 15 it might be a lot more useful, till then, with the current content, it is not.
question guys (off-topic)
can i advance on Rank 2 without spending all points in Rank 1? so that i can allocate more points on some skills on Rank 2
As I said, it’s for the uncommon spawns.
Besides,out of Doppel’s skills, Punish is weak for PvE, Deeds is a definite max.
Which leave Mordschlag and Cyclone.
Mord is…‘ok’, it’s 38s cd so it’s never going to be your core skill anyway, the attribute for crit on cloth is more or less the only reason to even have 1 point in it.
Cyclone gains another .5s duration with level, although I’m not sure if the damage is split over the full duration or is each ‘tick’ an actual full damage. Either way the attribute that allow movement while spin2winning makes for another skill that let you kill things as you move (on top of Barb and Cata)
DPE is similar in that regard, you can find another skill in another class to replace Mord’s hit-type damage, but no other swordsman let you kill a monster twice.
Actually in this regard DPE is even better than Chronomancer’s Back Masking or Reincarnate that it works on bosses.
At the end I think this comes down to: Do you want another damage button or gains a unique utility. Similar to picking between Squire C2 vs another class.
@GorDoge : Yes, you can save skill points, but note that this only apply to the same class. i.e. you can’t save point from Swordsman to use on Highlander.
thanks. question. im watching a video, then there’s this barbarian circle 1 have 2 new skills. Aggressor and Savagery. its like both of them are passive, the missing 2 are Cleave and Helm Chopper. i mean, whats the current skill?
The reverse, actually, Aggressor and Savagery were OLD skills Barb used to have, they have been replaced with Cleave and Helm Chopper.
ohh i see, thanks! 
Even if the skill only counts for 1 mob every minute.
If for nothing else, you could massively increase your exp gain through using it on blue mobs (the only mobs that matter for exp) and the white/yellow ones.
That’s everything but bad.
Guys can i ask? what if you buff the Double Pay Earn and use the swash buckling of peltastra to lure the mobs and tank it and your party member kills the mobs? or you use it use then tank the boss and your party member kills the boss. do you still earn the bonus exp and drop rate? because the skill is a self buffs and the attack limit are still not used. thanks for the answer
You must be the one to kill for the benefit.
Giving 1 benefits a lot, especially in missions.
I activate when boss have 10-15k health left and wait and somebody kills the boss and you get 400k exp instead of 200k. If you do in all bosses in the end you end up getting 6 mission worth of exp by the end of daily 3 missions.
Mini Necro.
Double Pay is what Reincarnate for the wiz class. You use it for the mobs that respawn with the jackpot status and for mobs with low af spawn rates (like Cafrisun now).
And you get x2 exp and 2 pieces of whatever the mob drops, it is NOT a x2 DROP INCREASE.
Doppels are a perfect example of a class that can go either way (PvP or PvE) and do great on any of those.
sorry but boss drops, mini boss, world boss any kind of boss even cafrisun doesnt work with double pay earn.
yes. it works. just dont use ur 1 hit before the time is gone. you will notice the exp earn is double, but u wont see the drops doubled.