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Doppelsoeldner : cyclone?

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

cyclone necessary to be 15 or can be less ?,i want 8 , because i want put points in others skills. would be like this :

doppelsoeldner

Deeds of Valor : 15
cyclone :8
zucken: 6
redel : 6
Zwerchhau : 5
Sturtzhau : 5

worth more put cyclone 15 and remove redel or zucken ?
how much hit cyclone 15 do and zucken 5 , redel 5 do ? and with fake extra hit ?
sorry my bad English

#2

cyclone 15 and dov 15 is mandatory no arguing about that if you wanna do max dps.

zwerchau1 more is not necessary ( for pve)
sturtz 5 depending on your prebuild if barb go 5 if high you dont need it
redel and zucken both scale very bad with skill points put in getting the attributes and then resetting back to less points might be the better option
skill that is worth to put more points is zornhau if you gotta choose from those 3 because putting a skillpoint makes a bigger difference in dmg

tested it yesterday and already regret putting more points than 1 into redel and zucken xD

#3

holy crap is doppel 3 hard to figure out skill distribution for x_____x

making skills Lv6 to get atribute and then skill reset them to get only lv1 while keeping the atribute doesn’t sound right though. i wouldnt be doing that without expecting it to be “fixed” some day, so Im not even gonna consider that an option.

I got a HL3 that just got doppel1.

Double Pay Earn is dead now with the fix it got, I guess? Good, not enough pts anyway xD

So Cyclone 15, Deeds of Valor 15, since they’re THE reason to go doppel in the first place.

That leaves a measily 15 pts for 70 skilllevels to choose from…

I can see why you suggest “no sturzhau if HL”, since HL has armor break via skull swing, so fair enough. 1 point into Zwerchhau at least, so I’d get at least one C3 exclusive skill xD

So now it’s about what skill I’d invest 6 into for atribute and which ones not.

Redel/Zucken/Zornhau… Redel gets the biggest increase from atr, while Zucken has synergy with HL (I got like 20+sec of shock from Crown), and Zornhau has the best skill-level scaling… So priority Zucken>Zornhau>Redel?

But all of the skills mentioned so far are slashing moves, so I figure I at least want to put 1 pts on the pierce/strike skills (Mordschlag/Punish), right?

But with 6:6:1 Zucken/Zornhau/Redel, I’m only left with a single point -_______-

Ugh… xD

#4

um trust me you dont wanna lose redel + attribute 180% dmg xD

its the best dps skill after cyclone zucken cant even remotely compare to it

#5

interesting , how you put point in doppelsoeldner ? ( I am barbarian in the moment)

#6

someone here ? have any idea distribution skill points ?

#7

how you distribution your skill points ?

#8

i think most go 4DEX 2STR 1 CON or something. might change as theres rumors STR is changing. not too sure about that though.

#9

sorry i forgot to put skills is skills points

#10

sorry i is skills forgot to put skills points

#11

this is what im going to use. from all the research ive done seems to be the best workout for me

#12

put 6 on redel and zornhau to learn their attribute, and then reset to:

15 DoV, 15 Cyclone, 12 Punish, 1 zucken, 1 redel, 1 zwerchhau.

i’ll do this after i get my 315 orange gear.

#13

thanks for all

now i have some ideia for doppel

#14

This is how you get DoV 15, Cyclone 15 and more skills to your rotation without sacrificing c3 skills and c2 new attributes.

#15

12 punish oO ??? i hope its a typo

#16

Not typo, i am actually leaning towards punish now. tested it yesterday myself.

my poor piss doppel with +5 magi 2HS, placed 1 Punish and its attribute (AoE), then 40% attribute damage. at first the damage was underwhelmingly 3-5k (it hits 2-3 times randomly), but after it was paired with DoV when we went ET. (around 8 stacks) i dealth 20k crit damage, ranging into 40-60k depending if its 2 or 3 hits.

and that’s a Level 1 Punish with 40% attri with +5 Magi 2HS

you can also see solmiki vid and how their punish damage deals 100k minimum up to 150k

#17

Cyclone is crap skill from my experience, with lvl 6 attributes C2 dopel skills become rly strong. Before c3 cyclone is ok, after C3 cyclone is crap imo, but seems it’s all about playstyle. Personally i leave it at lvl3 and use it only as gap closer.

#18

so what your build ?

#19

with lesser lvl cyclone you will have less hit count = less DPS…
and for Keetsoone - cyclone is the most damaging skill in entire swordman skill tree…

#20

Only in terms of number of buttion pressed per second :D. 7 seconds ov vulnerability at 15 lvl? no, i don’t want that. In order to Cyclone shine there should be a lot of things to be done:

  1. Without pain barier you will probably be ■■■■■■ up, 75% from attribute is useless trash from my experience.
  2. Without good support in party you will receive tons of damage while casting it for full duration or even die.
  3. Consider the statement 2 Cyclone is bad when you soloing.
  4. DPS is not that high as you think. In those 14 secodns while you whirll i’ll do lot more damage with other skills, not to mention that only 6 of those 14 seconds is doing damage while Cleave debuf is up.
  5. You can’t cancel it.
  6. Hit box is very small, i was very disapointed when i finaly got this skill.
  7. Insane cooldown.

So as you can see, Cyclone is usefull only in good party and mostly vs Bosses, in other cases is bad skill.

I’m currently Dopple2 and use Cyclone10, but i’ll will make reset at Doppel3 and will go:

DoV 15
Zornhau 6
Zucken 6
Redel 6
Zwerchhau 4
Sturtzhau 5(4)
DPE (1)
Cyclone 3

Just to be clear: Cyclone15 is most damaging skill in entire Swordman tree no doubt, but its not mos DPS skill in tree at all, it requre 7 second of ideal circumstances to shine and still not most DPS skill. Firstly i don’t like that kind of playstyle when you relly on luck or someone else, and secondly i prefer more dynamic playstyle when i have full controll of my character and can react on changing environment, in other words i prefer to press more buttons per second, have more skills to use etc.

While i lvling i rarely use Cyclone, mostly i prefer to Bash->Cleave->Siesm-Seism->Bash->Cleave->Cartar/Redel->Cartar/Zucken, pretty much EVERYTHING die after that and i can soloing EVERYTHING without even receiving tons of dmg.