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Doppelsoeldner C3 / R8, fake or realy multi hit? So bad

Class and Rank Swordsman
#61

Well that’s what I’ve been trying to figure out, but unfortunately I am not that good in math. Zucken deals 10 damage lines against mobs as far as I can tell, but on dummies it only does 5 hits. Sturtz deals 6 damage lines against mobs, but only does 2 hits on dummies.

EDIT : @unicorntheshiny well that is the only explanation I can think of. You really can’t rely on IMC’s description of skills.

[Zucken/Redel]'s attack count gets increased therefore the total amount of damage gets increased by 100/180%

Both description applies to Zucken and Redel. IMC just likes to not make sense at all with their balancing decision. lol

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#62

5 hits + 180% = 14 to me, that’s why I said that and +180% only in damage or in multihits are the same thing in the end.

I agree about Zwerchhau, because I have DPE lvl 2 and the skill only counts as 1 hit.

#63

Weird interactions with certain skill count and what not.

Well assuming it caps out at 1.4m it will look extremely nice of 99k each line 14 hits dem.

Lol. ( but it will be extremely hard to cap it out as the base value of the skill is low).

#64

Meanwhile, falconer has been “enjoying” fake multi hit since rank7 with their sonic strike until now. :smiley:

#65

Falconer still has bug now ( caltrops with aiming + flying units) it’s amazing no one report of that lel. Or was it forgotten?@_@

#66

Moment I found out about fake multi-hits, I didn’t bother trying to make sense of IMCs decision. 'cause it just doesn’t make sense at all, I mean why bother. it’s either you make them single hit or multi hits. sure it looks pleasing to the eye but when you discover what it really is, it’s really really annoying.

anyway I’m really sad I had to give up my Doppel. maybe when IMC accepts that they are stupid for making fake multi-hits and fix those Doppel skills, maybe then my build would be viable.

#67

Falconer is always get forgotten. While some retard went and complain falconer being too strong because of its circling and hoping its nerf, they dont know falconer have nothing else except circling and aiming. Hahahah… falconer dps skills are jokes. Rank7 sonic strike with 0 attribute, I deal not more than 7k dmg to a normal mob, while my multishot lvl15 can deal almost 80k damage (75 attribute). In addition of falconer does not gain new dps skill in rank8. :DDD fake multihit has been a very hot discussion for falconers because it separate the benefit of extra dmg (blessing, elemental dmg bonus etc) and make the skill super weak. Until now still no fix yet. This is maybe the 1st time i saw fake multihit complains besides falconer.

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#68

falconer are actually your r8 linkers now (well at least in KTOS) for what i know it’s render as a support class

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#69

Yea I know. Currently leveling my falconer since my warlock has gone into deep bull ■■■■ by IMC. :open_mouth: Hahaha…

#70

_>… warlock well… (i still have one i intend to bank it with a 1.4 k ma rod though)… :V

#71

That is literally all I was trying to get at (the first part at least) since there were comments such as

and regarding dethrone I doubt anyone would mind if that was a fake multihit.

@erik_thrash

Not saying that they are good skills, that seems to be something you yourself have interpreted me saying. [quote=“erik_thrash, post:24, topic:333451”]
You must learn to better interpret what you read.
[/quote]
(Sorry couldn’t resist)

#72

Well, I also happen to think fake multihit skills are dumb as ■■■■, because they’re misleading. There’s no reason for it. Show an accurate number of damage lines, list actual damage mechanics in tooltips. They don’t even sync up with damage % - while Spiral Arrow does up to 600% damage and shows an ‘appropriate’ 6 damage lines, Earth Wave does 250% damage and shows 5 lines. Hakkapalle’s Skarphuggning is probably the worst offender - it deals 2 real hits of damage with 0 arrow stacks, and then every arrow stack adds 1 fake line of damage and increases actual damage by 10%. First time I saw the skill in action it was obvious it was a fake multi because the damage per ‘hit’ decreased so drastically with every stack. A 7-stack Skarphuggning will throw out a lot of damage lines but in reality is only doing 70% more damage, which is fairly pitiful for a rank 8 skill that doesn’t have 16,000 base damage.

#73

can i see your stats and skill distribution?

#74

That’s very good info break down, with dex cards it has made it easier for TH sword players to get more out of a little dex investment. However that is fine up to the point where you actually get all the stuff you listed out.

I guess it is just reassurance, if you get several tens of million silver worth of value in items on your dopp, you will be ok.

#75

Currently is missing 6 Ellaganos lvl 10, 1 gem lvl 7 and 1 Practonium to create Gale Slasher.
Cards is currently the task that consumes more money. Gema is relatively easy to rise due to the drop gems lvl 2, monsters gems in Demon Prison District 2, Gem Abrasive in uphill and PvP.

I agree that you need a lot of time and money to get everything.

Ps: Even with all that has been said it is still necessary to have a build full Dex to have a good % of critical chance.

((451- 160) * 42/330)) = 37% assuming majority of the mobs are 160 crit resist. (That’s 1.5x damage lose out on almost 1/3 hits).

37% is not satisfactory.

#76

Most new monsters have high critical resistance. With that little critical rate you will never see criticals without Zalcia dropped on every monster.

#77

The attribute works, just like Seism, they apply the attribute to the original hits, which is shown on more hits. Some people are confusing other Doppels making them not take these attributes because they think it doesn’t work.
Testing on Dummies won’t prove your point.

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#78

and meanwhile my doppel c3 is getting complaints and ppl trying to get doppel c3 nerf…

#79

Seems like full dex at 330 lvl is better if take in count high lvl transcend weapon. With all poitns invested in dex you will have 62%+ crit chance even against 206 resist mobs, don’t forget that dex also provide evasion which is good for us since we have 0 defense.
Difference between 0 str invested and 329 str invested is only 733 PATK and 733 CATK, with high transcend you will have weapon with 3000+ PATAK(i saw Sarkmis with aroud 5k patak).

#80

Wasn’t it always the case. For at least r8.

The only issue is Strength have a constant head start versus DEX.
That’s all. Meaning Strength with glass mole will hit constant spiking damage up to 130k~ alone

Dex need a gear startup ramping in terms of DPM. Eventually dex catch up

You won’t need to use 206 any way just take the average of 150-175 crit resist.

Investing con is worthless if you intend to use Sarkmis so yea.

So basically assuming you are not using aoe ratios and sissel then Optimal DEX for 85% crit rate against 150-175 crit resist then strength for the remainder a little block pen is fine. Since you have nothing else to invest on. Why not?