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Doppelsoeldner C3 / R8, fake or realy multi hit? So bad

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

Hello friends, after acquiring the rank 8 Doppelsoeldner Class 3 only comes one word in my mind, Frustrating.

After performing several tests between the damage of the new skills acquired in class 3, I came to this conclusion that “something very wrong is not right”.

Below are some videos comparing the damage between Redel (circle skill 2) and Sturtzhau (circle skill 3).

[Comparison between Redel and Sturtzhau. Plate Armor.]

[Comparison between Redel and Sturtzhau. Leather Armor.]

[Comparison between Redel and Sturtzhau. Cloth Armor.]

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Doppel C3 skill points distribution
#2

and what exactly is the problem? slash damage is stronger vs cloth, weaker vs plate and neutral vs leather
nothing appears to be wrong to me
keep in mind that korean videos you see has max enhanced weapons stage 4 transcendence and 60%+ attributes.
Don’t know about your attributes, but with your gear and assuming that you aren’t even using deeds of valor, it makes even more sense.

#3

Look carefully at the base damage between the two skills.

Redel lvl 6
Attack: 816
Attribute Damage: 30%

Sturtzhau lvl 5
Attack: 4895
Attribute Damage: 30%

Do you still believe that is correct the damage of skills?

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#4

it might be that strutzhau is a fake multi hit, which basically splits the damage.
My lancer’s joust is 5k base damage and it hits for like 7-10k crits for a multi hit. (with 0 attribute)
keep in mind that strutzhau did 46k damage to the cloth armored mob in that video, seems to make complete sense to me, its a fake multi hit.
Which means, instead of making the 46k damage at once its splitted where as redel is a true multi hit
the only explanation i have.

#5

Fake multhit skills are dumb as ■■■■. They should fix it. Skill tooltips should also tell whether a skill is really a multi hit or not.

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#6

Following your logic, Redel is not fake multi hit?

If this is real, I feel bad for having spent my time leveling this char, so bad …
It forces him to maximize previous ranks skills when new skills are useless.

sad. I do not want to believe that this skill is fake multi hit, as well as the Zwerchhau which has 7926 attack and enter the same paradigm.

#7

deal with it bro. IMC hates swordsman. They put tank and damage skills through out the swordsman trees but it cant really tank or put up real damage. lol

#8

AFAIK, Doppel c3 skills are fake multi hit whereas previous ones are true multi hit.

#9

I also believe that the skills should contain all necessary information … If it’s not a bug, why put two skills so useless in C3?

So bad.

#10

I know. I just came back after quitting 2 months ago. And I hear about is fake fcking multihits. I mean seriously wtf.

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#11

I feel bad for having invested time and real money in this game … After this the little energy that made me still to insist on a game with so many problems came to an end.

So bad.

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#12

The saddest thing is to compare the C3 Doppel with the Fencer … This time the IMC surprised me really … Of course, negatively. (RIP TOS for me).

#13

Duplicate message.

Edit.

#14

no redel is a real multi hit, you are literally swinging your sword multiple times hitting the enemy.
If you still have the skill reset pot from the event, use it and put points into DoV instead of that r8 skill.
Honestly though it looks pretty strong to me.

#15

Can somebody explain to me why fake multihits are so bad? Sure they only hit once but then how is that any different to any skill that isn’t a fake multihit that only hits once? Technically speaking couldn’t you break the damage cap as opposed to how Snipe and Spiral Arrow can’t? (This probably doesn’t work but there doesn’t seem to be a downside of being a fake multihit vs a single hit).

#16

@razm2888

This is what im going to do:
1st Put 6 points to Zornhau, Zucken, Redel.
2nd Get the attributes: Deep cut and multi cuts
3rd Skill reset
4th Max out the following: deeds, cyclone, sturtzhau, zwerchhau = 40 points
put 1 zornhau, 1 zucken, 3 redel

Explanation: Even if its below lvl 6 (zornhau, zucken, redel) you will still get to keep the attributes. I dont know if this is a bug but many people already confirmed this.

#17

sounds good to me.
20characters

#18

The skills of C3 are horrible.

In a very distant future I decide to play again with this character and reset it, the build would look like this:

1
Deeds of Valor - 7
Cyclone - 15
Zornhau - 6
Zucken - 6
Redel - 10
Zwerchhau - 1

2
Deeds of Valor - 8
Cyclone - 15
Zornhau -1
Zucken - 10
Redel - 10
Zwerchhau - 1

3
Deeds of Valor - 12
Cyclone - 15
Zornhau -1
Zucken - 6
Redel - 10
Zwerchhau - 1

#19

Watch the video I posted up there and you will see that the high damage of the skill is only a makeup (placebo effect)…

Late game - monsters have 300k HP +, and you have a skill maximized causing 22k without critical. highlander 3 skills are causing more damage than the skills Doppel C3.

#20

If you want a really high damaging skill with high burst OP, level Zornhau. The attribute increases it’s damage from 100% to 400% and the skill can go up to almost 5k base damage meaning 20k burst without critting and 0 physical attack and 0 attributes.

The attribute makes Zornhau a fake multihit with 4 fake hits, but it still is 400% of the original value.

Fake multihits suck so much. It’s like the developers add them because they think we will actually take Double Pay Earn (because fake multihits count as 1 hit) and finish mobs off with it.