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Doppel C3 skill points distribution

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

Im not yet dopp c3 but I wanna know where to put my points.
15 - Deeds & 15 - cyclone = 30 points.

Where should i put my other 15 points?
Im thinking: Redel 9, Swerchhau 1, Sturtzhau 5

Zornhau is definitely trash for me. And I think zucken doesnt deal as much damage as Redel. I want to be minimalistic with the skills that i use because when rank 9 comes, more skills will be added to the game and im running out of skill slots!!! (im using a controller)

What are your thoughts about Zornhau + attribute & Zucken + attributes? Is it worth getting damage wise?

#2

i was told that zornhau with the attribute deals 400% additional damage
doesn’t look that bad tbh, they say it’s better than rank 8 skills.
don’t take my word on it though i never played doppel c3

#3

I would go of Redel 10, Swerchhau 1 and Sturtzhau 1. In my view, Swerchhau and Sturtzhau are viable only by the debuff. Despite high base damage are skills “fake multi hit” (placebo effect). Swerchhau 5 and Sturtzhau 5 has the equivalent damage to Redel lvl 6 without + 180% attribute. Incredibly depressing these new skills.

This is my humble opnion of a player who was frustrated with the new skills Doppel C3.

This topic has 3 videos comparing Sturtzhau lvl 5 with Redel lvl 6 without attribute of 180%.

Test by your own risk.

Good luck.

#4

Sturtzhau doesnt have any debuff. It just says that when you use it, the skill itself ignores a portion of the enemy’s defense.

#5

Well if you dont want to invest in doppel your build is ok

But you can level zornhau,redel,zucken to 6 learn attribute then just reskill

My doppel skill is

  • Cyclone 15
  • Dov 15
  • Dpe 1
  • Punish 1
  • redel 5
  • zornhau 1
  • zucken 1
  • swerchhau 1 (not worth the point its 1 fake multihit but aoe range is great)
  • sturtzhau 5 its good skill high base damage, but its two fake multihit so damage is alot higher than swerchhau, its multiply its basedamage two time come with two overheat so the damage is good and with its short animation its a really good burst skill (damage wise its lower than redel but a lot higher than zucken combo)

Sturtzhau may seem underrate but its really good the only down poimt for me its consume to much sp and the range is too short

Well all new skill is just filler for cyclone cd anyway

#6

i will check first if zornhau and zucken has good damage with the attribute.

#7

Well you can easily check by

Multiply current damage 4 time for zornhau

And 2 time multiply for zucken

From my damage kn cloth

Zonhau from 8,000 to 32,000

Zucken around 25,000~30,000 to 50,000~60,000

not much like redel but every extra dmg is gud :kissing_heart:

#8

Zornhau is only 15 second cooldown. It’s by far the hardest hitting skill with low cooldown. I wish it had a overcharge at least. Because it’s such a big burst it burrows through enemy defenses unlike Redel and Zucken which get mitigated for every hit they do.

#9

Just a reminder DPE is getting nerfed hard, it’s in kTOS right now.

#10

Well isn’t it really only useful on shiny mobs anyway…? Before the XP changes a while ago it was neat in missions but now you level so fast anyway…that you don’t need that. And since it doesn’t affect boss cubes or anything I wouldn’t understand how it’s “getting nerfed hard”.

Maybe i’m missing something crucial here…but lately i’ve only found good use for it on shiny mobs.

#11

why are you putting 2 useless points and cut out on redel for it … else the build is fine

#12

whats the new effect now?

#13

How would you distribute the points?

#14

well there are 2 options if you wanna deal max dps

redel 9 and sturtzhau 3 or redel 7 and sturtzhau 5

i guess its a matter of taste after all even tho the best would prolly be redel 9 for overall dps because it scales decently with the attribute
rest same like him
zucken not rly worth for more than a filler… zucken 10 less dmg than sturtzhau 5 T_T
zornhau pretty decent with the attribute but still cant compare to redel
also you need the points
for
dov15 cyclone 15 which is absolute 100% must have if you still didnt figure out why then i recommend you to learn how to cyclone

OH sry edit… ofc no punish and no dpe

#15

Not a new effect. DPE’s now counts all player’s hits in a party.

I have one point in it for your reason as well. But as I said above it won’t be as useful anymore. It will still work when soloing, but it will be very difficult to use when in a party.

#16

Has anyone ever tested that to not use DOV at all, so the points goes to all filler skills which makes up for the lost damage of cyclone+dov? I find that in most situation for people who does not have a static team, being the one getting the most hate from boss is a norm. And the chance of being interrupted while cyccloning is pretty high on pain barrier cool down. Is this even theoretically ok?

#17

not sure it’s a good idea, 150% physical damage is pretty good.
i have a hoplite c3 doppel c1 dragoon build, and just a lvl 5 DoV increases my multi hit damage skills by 2-4k per hit.
And that’s just rank 7 skills and lvl 5 DoV.

#18

2 useless point?

If you mean dpe and punish its up to pp

Dpe may got nerfed but you will regret not having its when wild gold,silver mob appear

Punish is good followup skill when you are in pinch and a good way to deal with leather mob (damage is great if use on leather,its also 3 multihit skills)

I will gladly remove [(85*level skill)*14hit] any time for more utility

Ps. My punish can go up to 120k easily if crit on leather

#19

DoV 15 and Cyclone 15 is the main skills of doppel c3. The others are filler. You will lose tons of damage to your cyclone with out this.

And dont worry, when rank 9 comes, more skills will come. So be minimalist on where you put your points because in the end you might not use some of the skills from previous ranks.

Edit: look at this video by Aki Sera

#20

I personally didnt put a point on punish because you have to knock down a target to activate it and that takes time to pull off. And I’m being minimalist regarding where i distribute my skill points. Less skills as possible since im running out of skill slots on my screen. But i didnt know it deals that much damage and i thought it only hits twice. If only i have more points. :cry: