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Dont play this game

Let me answer the only part that makes sense for me to answer (since the thing about how you guys met or the matter about math and probability is not up to discussion):

Maybe (probably) i’m not playing this game in hardcore mode as you guys, I didn’t start playing the game until the international server release, so, yeah, you guys probably have a lot more experience than I do.
But it doesn’t make sense. You’re basically saying that every good player is on Hydrarium. I don’t even think that’s possible, I mean, there are at the most 30~ish players in any guild. There’s a lot of guys throughout the server that played as much as you said you did “I follow Tree of Savior even before you knew it existed, participated in all closed tests and still playing.” so I don’t think that what you’re saying makes a lot of sense.

Note that this is not a direct attack against you, or saying you’re a liar, I’m just saying that it doesn’t make a lot of sense (again).

ABOUT THE WEAPONS
I don’t think I have anything to say about that, as everyone knows it’s way easier to upgrade weapons on ToS then it is on Rag,but note that what i wrote about that was:

*Also considering math probabilities, You are not the only ones trying to refine weapons more than +15. I really wonder, you’ve been the guild with the highest amount of weapons above +12, with the lowest rate of failure and mistakes, the players who own those weapons are in the same circle (again, Myz, SoX, Betavap, etc…), which in according to former Hydrarium members reports, it is a closed circle, which only reinforce that fact.

YOUR PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT EXPLOIT
It’s the same idea that everyone have: "It’s only exploit when the benefits you get from it are above moral levels"

It’s ok to test and report things to IMC, but keep using them it’s not. Just because you “found out” about the bug, does not give you the right to use them in other bosses. Again, in this game it’s really hard to take clear SS or videos to prove anything, but the SS that were sent to me were VERY CLEAR, and that’s why I used them. Everyone knows that the capture bug was used A LOT, and that’s why it pisses me off.

p.s: It would be pretty awesome if Myz made a video showing his reports (that he already said he was going to send later), it would (I think) go a long way to try and improve Hydrarium’s image to the server.

EVEN IF YOU SENT YOUR REPORTS TO IMC, REPORTING CAPTURE BUG, WHY WOULD YOU KEEP USING THEM IN OTHER WORLD BOSSES

Idk if you’re going to read this, since you said that you were going to quit this thread, but I thought it was necessary to try and answer you.

a fellow Savior <|:^D

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Então…

Hmm, just wondering but where do you have the information that we have the lowest rate on failing our weapons ? We probably re the highest rate on that…

Really? Your only concern is a question about semantics?
What I meant is: A bunch of people are trying to upgrade their weapons. Hydrarium keeps “succeeding” in that matter. Really, it’s all in the text. Sorry if that part was a bit confusing, as english is (obviously) not my first language.

1 run = ~40min =
9*40min = 360min = 6h

6h em uma dg por dia…

Eu tenho pena do pessoal inocente que entrou na Hydrarium recentemente, ganhando GvG pra eles e até servindo de escudo no shout e provocando.

Só servindo como cobaias pra disfarçar os exploiters da “Main Core” da Hydrarium. Meros peões. :pensive:

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Oh I’m sorry for that, I don’t have much to put after what Seven posted, I make his words my own.

It wasn’t an attack on you, you’re the only one that I have answered cause you are one of the few that are actually arguing and making some sense to this post, and the few that actually knows how to write.

All I see is this guild trying to save face. Like lets be real these guys are Hook64 users and not to sound bias but SA server ie BRs are known to break the games they play and ToS isnt an exception lol.

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Faço muito mais que isso coração,

Earth Tower 1 - 20 F = 1 Hora 05 Minutos
Dungeon 145 - 20-25 minutos
Saalus (Muda de acordo com a missão)
Mercenary Post
Uphill Defense - 30-35 minutos cada

– Conta aí –
2x ET 1 - 20 F
6x DG 145
4x Saalus
2x Uphill
6x Mercenary Post

o caso era: 6h em uma dg, no exemplo que ele deu…

Compreendo,

Apenas lhe dando exemplo das minhas runs diárias, pois atualmente brigar por boss, onde não se tem uma taxa de player aumentando e só diminuindo, já não é mais recompensadora para muitos, é por essas e outras que não me preocupo mais.

Desde o patch que deram do Guild Battle, o silver das dgs aumentaram, então desde lá venho trocando o boss pelas dungeons diárias, tem pessoas que tem mais tempo, mais paciência, farmam com mais personagens. Eu por falta de tempo, por estress diário com as runs da earth tower, por ser algo que, não pode se ter deslizes, acabo não tendo mais paciência pra upar outro char apenas para ter esse silver incoming maior

Dear Myz, I would rather not waste my time coming here to argue with you, especially with this failure attempt to clean up your name, not to say desperate.
Despite all the proof shown in this post, you always have an “excuse”, right? But the character to acknowledge what you’ve been done wrong is under lacking.
Let’s begin from the start, SSGT has a great top history in all the games whose played and you are probably dying of envy, starting with RF online where the guild has headlined the “Belatos” and had the first “Arconde”, in the Perfect World the guild SSGT dominated almost all the war maps for YEARS, in the Archeage was the guild who lead the only brazilian alliance and get the castles and inside the tree of savior it haven’t been different.
Some players who are in there today, have made part of SSGT in the closed beta, and even at the start from open beta. I’m very glad to have none of them with us because their character fit the ones alike you. We are playing this game since the first closed beta KR, and we have the knowledge about the fair mechanics in the game, so that even in Orsha server, it was very evident in the world bosses 1 or 2 of our parties getting the boxes and you used to suffer a lot to get it with only one party, but only a few days before the migration to Silute server something funny had started to happen, the world bosses that would have to respawn every 4 hours exactly, simply started to “skip". Something that I had reported and received an answer that it was nothing wrong (at that time). So I asked everybody to stop what they were doing and start to wait for a “respawn” that could not exists, indeed complicated, but what had come to our knowledge later was that the “skip” wasn’t really a simple “skip”, but some players (guess the guild) had discovered a way to crash the channel and this way resetting the time of spawn of the world bosses. After this bug has been fixed (something that happened recently) the same players of the same guild, simply are not saw in these maps again.
Now let’s talk about “Dullahan”. Well, Myz having a “core” DPS players with doubtful refined weapons, besides the facts aforementioned as bug abuse of a sorted groups, reliable sources have told that they were invited by you to participate on these groups, and also the use of “capture” skill to basically instantly kill the boss, I think it is frustrating to other people to not achieve the same “great success” with the same doubtful means.
About the GvG that you have quoted as well, in the contrary of what you have assumed, and without shame, no one in the SERVER wants to play against Hydrarium, not because you are “the best of the bests” but because your practices of obviously doubtful approaches, and delay from the company to take the proper measures about all of it. So the server wants to play GvG, but what they don’t want is to play against people who evidences point out to illegal practices. As we have no position from IMC about these things, we will keep looking to where the evidences point until the verdict is told innocent (What I personally think it’s pretty hard) or the company brings to the community the conduct from some members of Hydrarium.
So, carry on your job, what will be Hydrarium 10 years from now? How many others MMO’s will the guild sustain?
And Dreifh, just a few more words: your “big” leader wasn’t the only one to be approached by a GM in the game, in order to obtain information and suggestions about it. I just do not feel the need to bring something like that to public knowledge to “make a bigger” image of myself.
I have brought suggestions through tickets, searching for improvements to the game itself, and of course trying to correct and point evident failures, and I only regret that the Hydrarium haven’t got caught by the lack of competence from the company.



And about this specific video it was a tactical recognition from the map, something that I felt the need to do, right away when the map was launched, and that is pretty obvious on the video - if we had the intend to make a trade win, we would just go right to the tower. However like I already said the whole server refuses to play against Hydrarium by the strong evidences of illegal conduct but some “tricky” guys try to win position in the ranks trying to take clear advantage of SSGT trying to surpass in a clean way, a guild that in the eyes of the server have been profited by bugs and exploits. The fact is that in the contrary of you I have the notion of my acts and I do not intend to harm no guild that as us is at disposal to play the war in a clean and fair way, independent of results. But allowing the cheap opportunists to excel with no effort whatsover isn’t something I’m at willing to do.
Not everyone is lucky enough to refine weapons (+18,20 . . . 27 o.o) and find all of the bosses alive in the map, right? Even more, killing a boss with 280kk with a hit-kill.
Finally, English is not my native language, I think some sentences are wrong, I will put the text in Portuguese to be clear my intentions with it.


Bem Myz, eu não pretendia perder meu tempo vindo aqui argumentar com vocês, nessa falha para não dizer desesperada, tentativa de limpar seu nome.

Apesar de todas as provas já mostradas nesse topico, você tem sempre uma “desculpa” né ? mas o carater pra reconhecer o que fez de errado, bem isso ficou claro que está em falta.
Vamos do começo, a SSGT tem uma grande historia de destaque em todos os jogos pelos quais passou e você provavelmente está se corroendo de inveja, começando com o RF on line aonde foi a guild que emcabeçou os Belatos e teve o primeiro arconde(belato), no perfect wolrd dominou os mapas de guerra por ANOS, no Archage foi a guild que liderou a UNICA aliança brasileira a pegar os castelos até então.
Aqui no ToS não está sendo diferente. alguns jogadores que estão hoje ai, fizeram parte da SSGT nos closed beta, e até no começo do server (Oppen), fico feliz de não ter nenhum deles mais aqui conosco pois de fato o carater deles mostrou-se bem parecido com o seu, nós estamos jogando este game desde o primemiro closed KR, e conhecemos muito bem as mecanicas justas do jogo, tanto que ainda no Orsha, era bem evidente que nos worlds bosses enquanto 1 a 2 pts nossas pegavam box, você sofria bastante para pegar em 1 PT apenas.
mas pouco antes de migrar do servidor Orsha pro servidor Silute algo engraçado começou acontecer, os world bosses que Teriam de respawnar a cada 4 horas exatamente, simplesmente começaram a “skipar”, algo que eu mmesmo reportei e recebi como resposta que não havia nada errado (na epoca) e bem, pedir para todos meus jogadores pararem o que estavam fazendo e ficar horas esperando por um “respawn” que podia não existir, é de fato complicado , e por muito tempo inclusive associamos tais falhas a propria empresa, mas o que nós viemos a saber tempos depois é que bem, os “skips” não eram exatamente Skips, mas que alguns jogadores (adivinhem de qual guild), descobriram que existiam meios de se derrubar o ch’s e dessa forma resetar o horario de respawn dos world bosses que deveriam aparecer no mesmo, tão logo esse bug foi corrigido (algo que aconteceu bem recentemente), os mesmos “jogadores” dessa guild, simplesmente quase não são mais vistos nesses locais.

Agora vamos falar dos “dullahan”, bem Myz tendo como “core” de dps armas com refinamento duvidoso, além do fato já citado do bug abuse de membros em grupo que segundo relatos confiaveis foram convidados pela sua pessoa a participar desses grupos, fora tambem o uso do “capture” para dar praticamente instant kill no boss, acho que frusta bastante quem não usa desses mesmos meios para alcancar esse “sucesso”.
Quanto a guerra que você citou, eu ao contrario de vocês assumo e sem nenhuma vergonha, ninguem NO SERVER quer jogar contra Hydrarium, não por que vocês são “os melhores” mas por suas praticas e condutas evidentemente duvidosas, somado a demora da empresa em tomar alguma atitude ou postura quanto a tudo isso, ou seja, o server quer jogar guerra, o que o server silute não quer e jogar contra pessoas cujas evidencias apontam para praticas ilegais, como não temos até agora uma postura da empresa sobre isso, continuaremos olhando para onde as evidencias apontam até que vocês sejam “inocentados” (O que eu acho bem dificil) ou que de fato a empresa traga a conhecimento da comunidade a conduta de ALGUNS membros da Hydrarium.

Bem, continue com seu trabalho, o que a Hydrarium será daqui a 10 anos ? Quantos outros mmo’s será que essa guild sustentará ?

A sim, Dreifh, só para constatar algo, seu “grande” lider não foi o unico a ser procurado por uma equipe de gm’s do jogo, a fim de obterem informaçoes e sugestões sobre o mesmo, eu só não sinto a necessidade de trazer algo assim a conhecimento publico para tentar “engrandecer” minha imagem.
Ha muito trago sugestões através de tickets, buscando melhoras pro JOGO em si, e claro tentando corrigir e apontar falhas evidentes, e só lamento que a Hydrarium por falta de competencia da empresa não tenha ainda sido pega, mesmo com fortes evidencias dos abusos.


A sim, quanto a esse seu video especificamente isso era um reconhecimento tatico do mapa, algo que eu senti a necessidade de fazer, porém como eu já disse o servidor inteiro se recusa a jogar guerra contra a Hydrarium pelos fortes indicios de contuda ilegal porém alguns “espertinhos” tentam ganhar posição no ranking tentando tirar proveito das tentaivas da SSGT superar de forma LIMPA uma guild que aos olhos de todo server está ficando em primeiro lugar só por ter se beneficiado de inumeros bugs e exploits, o fato é que ao contrario de você eu tenho noção das minhas ações e não pretendo prejudicar nenhuma guild que assim como nós esteja disposta a jogar guerra de maneira limpa e justa, independente dos resultados, agora permitir que oportunistas baratos se sobressariam isso é algo que eu não estou diposto a permitir.
Não é todo mundo que tem a sorte de ter varios jogadores sortudos para refinar armas ou encontrar todos os bosses vivos no mapa né, quem dirá matar world bosses com + 280KK com “instante kill”

Adendo:
Não se preocupe em me responder, como eu já te disse em pm’s uma vez, INFELIZMENTE eu não tenho nenhuma prova 100% irrefutavel para apresentar, apenas indicios de que aconteceu algo, até por que se eu tivesse algo nesse porte, com certeza já teria cobrado uma posição mais clara da IMC quanto a tudo isso.
Assim sendo te aconcelho a se preocupar mais com a sua guild e menos com a minha.

Kronion - SSGT.

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@andre_udi

So to clarify something that may not have been clear, all written by me in this post is my point of view, I speak for myself and not for the guild, I play many years of MMO and within one month of guild, i can say that the guild is very united and is very good and fun be with them in Teamspeak, when I spoke about the interview of GM Papaya and Myz was for prove the following:

  • Show that Myz is an extremely active player in the game as well as all members of Hydrarium.
  • Myz has my respect as player and person and did not use the interview with GM papaya to inflate his ego but to improve the game.

So pra esclarecer algo que talvez não tenha ficado claro, tudo escrito por min nesse post é o meu ponto de vista, eu falo por min e não pela guilda, eu jogo a muitos anos MMO e posso afirmar do que ja vi nesse 1 mes de guilda, que a guilda é muito unida e eh muito bom conviver com eles no TS, quando falei que o GM Papaya entrevistou o Myz foi pelos seguintes motivos:

  • Mostrar que o Myz é um jogador extremamente ativo no jogo assim como todos os membros da Hydrarium.
  • Mostrar que sim, o Myz é um jogador que tem meu respeito e não usou a intrevista com o GM papaya para inflar seu ego e sim para melhorar o jogo.

O objetivo desse post era unir a comunidade contra bot e exploits, bom eu acho que não fui bem sucedido, mais vou insistir porque não consigo jogar um jogo com todos esses problemas e não fazer nada, a maioria aqui nunca fez 1 post de susgestão ou sequer visita o forrum.

A galera so sabe falar mal do jogo no TS e ninguem vem ao forrum, outra coisa eu n tenho expectativas na IMC mais eu ainda tenho esperanca na comunidade pois quem faz o jogo é a comunidade e lógico os trolls fazem agente rir tb.

Being the troll here on behalf of haukinyau and nuclear.

A LETTER TO IMC?!
Are you trying to make yourself out "as a contributing member of this forum?"
Have you even been on the forums long enough to see ‘ALL THE OTHER LETTERS TO IMC’? What makes this one so special?!

War against bots?
Dude, you are like…6 months too late in joining the war against bots.
Bots that festered and created the filth on all servers. What makes Silute so special?

Community of Silute?
Why didn’t you just post to Silute forum? Silute seems to be a special needs place.

20m silver reward?
Man, stop flaunting your pocket money around.
Why don’t you throw in your +15 max peta or something to sweeten the reward?

and I’ll throw in a huehuehue for the heck of it.
thanks for a laughable read though :smiley:

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@haukinyau and @nuclearmissile have been wrongfully banned.
A ban on all Hydranium members both forum and ingame would be justice.

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Actually, I think it was quite successful, aren’t almost everyone here united against the cheating and exploiting “hardcore” guild in the Silute server?

…Just… not the aforementioned hardcore guild itself, of course.

:]

I have to thanks all the visibility but i will not fight for this game anymore

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Sinceramente, espera sim amigo. Eu vou esperar aqui também mas eu já te adianto logo, ninguém espalha um rumor por nada… ninguém iria adivinhar que a queda de canais daria reroll nas falhas, ou bugaria os boss e etc…etc… ( dentre os mil bugs e o nosso famoso amigo ‘64’ ) se alguém sabe disso é porque EXISTE/EXISTIU! Mas a IMC é incapaz de dar uma publicação OFICIAL " Olha seus restos de players… queria dizer que investigamos esses putos sim e eles tão liso " De todo meu coração eu queria SIM ouvir isso SIM,SIM,SIM e SIM. QUE VOCÊS SÃO INOCENTES porque jogar do jeito que tá, não ta muito legal E VOCÊS TEM QUE ACEITAR assim como todos da sua GUILD esse comportamento tóxico sim( Afinal meu amor você jogaria feliz um jogo que seus players usam e abusam de erros do jogo e ficaria jogando numa boa??? Já temos a resposta :wink: ) . A única “coisa” que pode salvar a palavra de vocês é a IMC e pelo que a gente ta vendo né amigo… eles não tão muito interessados não viu!! E só pra enfatizar sua atitude foi linda amigo mas seu ego e sua manobra de " direcionar o foco pra outro lugar " tornou o post feio.

Passar bem!!!

this game is dead alread

This post is made by a dumb new hydrarium guildie that is just oblivious of what happened before, I’m just cracking and laughing because their OWN guild mates, the one who got kicked already told EVERYONE how they abused and crash channels, there’s no need of proof and others hydrariums just talk about it freely just because they know they’re not going to get banned or anything.

So in sum, I’m gonna keep laughing.

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