Tree of Savior Forum

Do this before April 28th, and you can stop the gold sellers

General Discussion
#1

First, let’s identify the root cause of the problem. TOS is currently in the early access period, people can only play if they buy a founder’s pack through Steam. There are three options for founder’s pack, $50, $30, and $10. The $50 and $30 founder’s pack came with a Token and plenty of TP, so these are your premium users. The $10 founder’s pack didn’t come with a Token nor did it include enough TP for people to buy a Token from the premium shop, so these are your non-premium users. ALL THE CURRENT TRADE RESTRICTIONS was setup under the assumption that IMC can differentiate the premium users from the non-premium users, based on whether they purchased a Token with real money or not. But now here is the problem, because you can purchase token with in-game silver via the auction house, you have all the gold sellers buying only the $10 founder’s pack, botting and gold farming, then buy the Token with in-game silver, and now they all become “premium” users too. If we go free-to-play like this, these “premium” gold sellers will be with us for the rest of this game’s life.

So how do we stop the gold sellers? First step, make Token untradable in game. Token is a cash shop item, so it should only be available through cash purchase, not in-game silver. This will stop the cash to in-game silver connection that gold sellers need in order to make gold selling profitable. Currently gold sellers can farm silver and buy Token, and then use Token as payments for everything. Make Token a cash shop only item will stop gold sellers from getting any money by selling Token, and in turn make IMC more money.

Second step, IMC should have all the information through steam about who purchased which founder’s pack, go through the information and separate the non-premium users from the premium users, which should be easy as the premium users all purchased $30 or more for founder’s pack. Now, screen carefully for those who bought the $10 founder’s pack but have a Token, because this is where most of the gold sellers are at. An easy solution would be to remove all Token benefits from those players with only a $10 founder’s pack, because they were not supposed to be a premium user with only $10 payment to begin with. IMC can compensate these players with 500,000 in-game silver since that’s the price of a Token in auction house, but if they want to be premium users, they need to buy-in with real money just like we did.

IMC, please follow these steps and stop the gold sellers while you still can. Because if the game goes free-to-play like this on April 28th, you’ll lose the ability to keep track of all your premium and non-premium users, and the “premium” gold sellers will take over this game with their botting and spamming, which is not something I look forward to.

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#2

So your suggestion is to limit the free to play aspect of the game, and actually make it pay to win?

Okay

The only reason this game is REALLY free to play is because a free player can acquire everything a casher can, albeit with some more effort. Removing that limits the game for a f2p player and makes it like every other browser MMO with a VIP feature.

#3

OP is being retarded… I am playing from SEA and I only purchase the $10 to “test” the NA servers after all that crappy lag issues during CBT. Now you want to judge players who spend lesser than you did? Mind you I can spend IF I want to base on IMC’s action against RMT botters and how long lasting the game is.

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#4

This logic is messed up
Gold sellers will not stop even if being premium is limited to real money transactions / TP

Many people will still buy silvers from them and they don’t even need a token to do so. How? Just make the buyer put a ridiculously priced item at the auction house and the seller of the silver will have his main silver stash account buy that item that was placed in there. EZ PZ and fast.

So technically, there’s no point in removing token as part of the auction house / market.

#5

So ? Im down with that. F2P mmo’s are always filled with trash.

#6

You can spend however much you want to support this game, I am focusing on the issue of Token, which is meant for Premium Users, meaning those who paid more than $10 to support this game. If you are not willing to spend more than $10 for this game, why should you be entitled to a Premium User status? And if you are “Testing” right now and willing to spend more depending on IMC’s action, then my solution should not have any effect to you as you will be a real premium user then.

#7

Nope, your method was covered specifically by the post of IMC staff, that was the reason why they imposed a 48hr wait time on the auction house so people can’t sell junk for high price to transfer silver.

Removing the Token from the trade system will further limit the tools gold sellers have to make trades, as currently silver is not transferable.

#8

Your point is to remove token being tradable, as someone already mentioned you might as well make the game P2P/subscription. Did you actually think the RMT sellers are poor and can’t afford a token themselves if they wanted to?

My point is your methods will never work.

#9

I don’t even get your point tbh, from what you wrote gold sellers farm their silver and purchase tokens, then sell the tokens for silvers??? IMC capped a minimum amount on Tokens so the sellers can’t undercut normal players to begin with. Sellers are trying to earn real cash not in game silver.

#11

You think 2 days can stop them? How days has it been? It’s already beyond 2 days and they already had ample time to at least gather enough for 1-2 Million Silver or maybe even a greater amount than you think there is.

If they can’t serve all their clients at once then there’s no problem because said clients who entertain the RMT market has many places to go and it has a massive competition going on right now in ToS. Said clients can also wait for their transaction to get processed because the item that they registered can last for up to 7 days with a relatively affordable fee.

But wait, there’s more!

These gold sellers can actually offer to cover up the expenses for the tax and stuff too so they could allow the said clients to put in a higher price for their convenience.

TL;DR
Your Argument is invalid. You just want this game to become pay 2 win.

#12

RMT sellers can afford Tokens yes, and this will make them pay with real money instead of in-game silver which they can just bot it, as I see them all over the maps now.

As for your point, care to explain how is gold sellers going to convert their profit in-game into real money? Because they can’t transfer silver now, and with my method they won’t be able to transfer token either.

If you look at the current chat in game, why do you think there are all these people who wants to trade with Token instead of silver? Because Token is currency right now instead of silver.

#13

OP is plainly stupid as I mentioned. The 2 days restriction works on the gold buyer as he will need 2 days to retrieve the silver, not the RMT seller. Since when will any RMT sellers be responsible for your account being ban within that 2 days of waiting.

You want to get silver by through the illegal way, bear the consequences. The RMT sellers are just going to earn their dough.

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#14

Have you even done your research? Even right now there are people buying silver. All they need to do is place a random junk on the market with a extremely high price. Cause that’s how they do it. How else do you even think RMT still exist even on the KR servers?

And token as currency != gold buyer/seller. Some people are just that desperate for gears that they purchase all 3 founder packs for the TP. Or purchase tokens the legit way. I myself bought 1 token with my $10 package and my friend manage to buy 2.

As i said, stop judging others base on such superficial reasons.

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#15

Please read the IMC staff announcement. The 48hr is so that they can catch and stop any unusually priced transactions as the one you described.

And as I mentioned, stopping the Token trade will further limit the methods RMT sellers have to make profits.

Stopping the Token trade is not about judging anyone, it’s about fairness. How is it fair for people who pay more money for the premium, when RMT sellers can just bot it and get the same result? If you paid top dollar for a VIP room, is it fair for someone for pay less than half of what you paid and still get the same room?

#16

You think that will stop botting? Oh come on the aim of RMT is to bot and farm SILVERS FOR SILVER BUYERS

NOT

SILVERS TO BUY TOKENS

Because Tokens essentially do not remove the need to wait for 2 days to receive thy silver.

That’s why right now, other suggestions are actually up to fight botting because monitoring the system 24 hours and investigating along with banning each and every single bot out there is practically impossible due to the thick competition of RMT happening right now due to ToS’ hype.

#17

Lol once again… OP is being retarded. He still doesn’t see the flaws in his own arguments. I bet he doesn’t even know that tokens doesn’t remove the 2 days restriction. Seriously why does he keep bringing up Token when it doesn’t even have any actual link with the RMT sellers.

He is just being salty that others are able to buy tokens through the market while he pays for it. From all his

AND

it just sounds like he wants to feel “superior” to those who doesn’t spend.
I call it Ego issues.

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#18

So please explain how can the RMT sellers transfer silver to silver buyers, without the highly priced junk method, and without the Token.

People bot for either leveling or farming. I am trying to address the farming part.

#19

Why are you trying to remove that? That’s precisely the method they have. Do you even read threads about this matter these days? There has been some crazily overpriced items lately like Popolion meat and etc. which are practically trash and the reason is because [refer to quote].

#20

Lol I give up… There is only one illness that can’t be cured even with modern medication which is called stupidity.[quote=“nightbladex7, post:18, topic:188757”]
So please explain how can the RMT sellers transfer silver to silver buyers, without the highly priced junk method, and without the Token.
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Why would you want to “skip” mentioning about the fact that it is the way how they transfer the silver. Geez…

#21

You can call me whatever, but I know I paid premium to support this game while you are the salty one who is not willing to put more money to support this game. I stand by my argument that the Token is meant for those who pay for it with real money, and it’s not fair for the premium users if people can just bot farm it. If you want the premium benefit, pay for it, like everything else.