[Discussion] Improving the Art Contest + Creative Side of ToS [closed]

[Aoi_Kanashi]

well, to prevent no effort works and plagiarized works. a better screening effort from the staff and community is needed.

though, it doesn’t necessarily have to be an in-game reward, but a proper recognition for the effort (by that, i don’t mean something like “thank you all”) the artist made. i mean, the theme is a form of client request afterall ‘w’/

by doing so, it may (unless trolls[but those are moderately easy to detect]) prevent no effort work since artists are going to be recognized for it.

[lilblkrose]

Ah, I forgot to add in to Pro: more participates would have more viewers, meaning suspicious entries can be easily called out.

Many people aren’t good at spotting entries that look obviously traced or editted, even for some artists as I have found out. It may be asking a lot of the staff ability and time, so it’s up to the community to point out these entries.

On the reward part, titles on forum would be nice if we had such option, but I can’t think of anything not in game that can be a reward (other than being featured in a gallery, maybe?) I’d be happy with a cookie or an expiring item… I’m not sure what others would like as a prize that is reasonable and fair in the game.

Actually, a gallery or collection of the entries be nice since many are lost to the forum pages and only winning entries survive >_<

[Aoi_Kanashi]

yah, mebe an smol section in the popolion post that feature an smol piktyur an link tu de forum entry or sumthin leik dat

[lilblkrose]

That be nice, but if there is too much entries, it’ll become cramped to the point of unnoticable. I’m not sure what’s the page limit the art section can have or be privileged to have.

[Aoi_Kanashi]

i guess if it’s too many, then credit user and a link to their works next to them. i mean, im not very sure, but i think even in kr communities, i think only the winners are featured

[lilblkrose]

Mmm I think people would skip the effort to click at each entry that way… A separate gallery would be better so people can see any thumbnail of interest they may like to look closely at.

Or a rolling credit of images lol

I thought KR website had their own gallery page, tho it has been a while since I last looked

[Aoi_Kanashi]

if it’s not oo much to ask, that would be nice OwO

i mean, i saw some kr pages that features the itos art winners ‘w’;;

[mathias_cronquist]

It’s kinda unfair since many of the most voted artworks are usually just encouraged by their guildmates and friends instead being voted for their talent

[Ardien]

Although it is true for some entries, we have the Staff’s Pick to balance it out.

[mathias_cronquist]

Yeah but it takes almost half of the entries i guess or even more. And still cannot believe that cringy stuff like this won:
Btw, is there any chance to edit the ToS files to change that wallpaper to something else or at least a black screen? srsly, I feel the cancer comming through my eyes…

[Ardien]

They are subjective on how they select - based on their “thoughts” regarding their chosen art. Just so happened that the staff who picked it doesn’t share the same sentiment as yours. It’s more of a “Love me, Senpai!” rather than “Notice-Like me, Senpai!”

You can access the loading images here :
[ C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\TreeOfSavior\release\loadingimg ]

Haven’t tried replacing them so I dunno if it would work.

[Aoi_Kanashi]

oh come now i think that entry’s nice ‘w’/

[mathias_cronquist]

It’s the most cringy thing i’ve seen, its like that Kanon anime, I just can’t stand it…
I get the cute stuff people is used to, and it’s ok, but the artstyle is so poor… the anatomy is so weak, awful perspective, looks like he made it using those DeviantArt anime molds… its wrong on so many levels…

[Csiko]

It’s the most cringy thing i’ve seen, its like that Kanon anime, I just can’t stand it…
I get the cute stuff people is used to, and it’s ok, but the artstyle is so poor… the anatomy is so weak, awful perspective, looks like he made it using those DeviantArt anime molds… its wrong on so many levels…

If you don’t like anime, why on earth are you playing this game?

What’s cringy is that you think your subjective opinion on an art style matters.

[mathias_cronquist]

is anatomy and bad perspective something subjective? stop being a weeb and loving everything anime-related
There are plenty of great wallpapers that deserved to be in the loading screen but THAT one in special, doesnt, lacks of an own style (looks like a cheap Deviant art TEMPLATE), lacks of any kind of charm, its cheap vanilla style with mediocre anime trope
I don’t hate anime, i like anime, but i hate mediocricity, specially with that thing being near a work that took a lot of effort from others who searched for their own style and practiced a lot to develop it

Just compare it to these:

This one ain’t anime but… dude… his style is there

And there was one i liked a lot too, the one with the 2 dragoons which i can’t find right now but yeah, i hope the point is clear now (it was already clear but damn, u kid need stuff to be teached with pictures and everything)

[Kihseki]

Skill and talent was never the criteria for these contests anyway. I guess your point is that you have a biased preference?

There’s a lot that can be improved in these contests but trying to filter out and exclude participants is not one of them. (except people who try to cheat and/or steal artwork of course)

[Aoi_Kanashi]

i like the kanon anime though ; w ;

anyway, if you’re going to be very critical about anatomy, you may wanna take another look at the double dragoon entry ‘w’;;;

[lilblkrose]

PLEASE DO NOT CRITICIZE ON OTHER PEOPLE ENTRIES HERE.

I understand the unfairness of having your guild mates and friends vote your entry, but it would mean they would have to have a LOT of friends/guild mates to win either way… Also, if they get their guild mate to vote, that means they play the game thus choosing what to see plus other people will add to vote if it they like the entry as well.

Please do not complain about winning entries or make comparison, that is disrespectful to the artists who worked hard on their entries for a competition they may or may not win.

[Arcelle]

It’s always difficult to judge art contests since art itself is really subjective. There are some good points here and I do hope IMC at least gives this thread a look. Thanks to all of you trying to improve the system on behalf of the rest of us!

Also, while I personally don’t mind being blasted for my entry (within reason, and constructively), there are others who would take it more to heart so it’d be nice not to have them singled out, going forward.

@mathias_cronquist Thanks for the criticism all the same. I know there’s still a lot for me to work out – especially perspective and backgrounds in particular. Hopefully I’ll get better at them someday.

And thanks to everyone else for sticking up for me, I appreciate it.

It’s important for all artists to keep in mind that we can’t appeal to everyone, sadly. Even within my own circle of friends, there are some entries I really liked that my friends disliked. x:

[lilblkrose]

Y’all enjoying the forum crashing and illegal entries this contest?
(Traced, Edits, Copyrighted Materials, Screenshot Entry Spam)

Updated first post layout.
Added two new topics: Showing WIP on Second Post, Sharing Social Media Gallery, Not stating Rewards until After Contest Result