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Darkness Approaches [Steam Reviews]

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#64

This should be a sign to everyone developers and players alike that first impressions matter a ■■■■-ton.

You can be the most responsive dev team ever, and this can even win back people if you’re good at it, but you never lose more people in this history of your games existence than its first month, and the goal is to simply retain as much as humanly possible.

In the MMO business, you are setting the pace and the tone for the entire games life, and if that month is a stinker, you may as well hit the damn drawing board all over again.

Tree had a textbook-level horrible opening, and even worse, to paying players. Tack on all the other egregious design decisions that will frustrate almost any player, and you have one of the most potent recipes for turning people away almost within a day of trying it out.

It’s really sad that Tree has to sort of be the modern day martyr to remind other companies (or IMC for their next swing) that what they’ve done here for the most part is unacceptable in this day and age.

Here’s hoping Tree gets the fixes it needs and that it’s not too late, because at this point it’s even possible the game won’t be financially in the green.

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#65

Main problem is that most people doesn’t change their reviews, ever. No matter how much IMC fixes. For this reason, Steam Reviews are in my eyes completely worthless.

#66

Also they make negative reviews and say “when will it be f2p?”… There are alot like that. They probably wont change their reviews once its f2p either.

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#67

Can I ask you a really serious question? If you do seriously play this game when you login how many hurdles of crap do you need to jump or ignore before it starts to bother you? First thing that gets me is the loading screens taking forever like it’s a PS1 game. Now after that you’re in Klapedia CH1 and you’ve got 10-20 FPS from all the people ontop of silver selling spam in your face 24/7 no matter how many times you block them.

Okay, not so bad right? Just power through it and pretend that never happened because you want to play this great game. You start your adventure getting to the mines and BAM like 50 bots running around in a line. What the heck is this? You do your best to get your quests done and start to question things moving on again.

Finally you’ve quested and grinded or maybe pop some cards getting to Tenet Church. Wow, this place is cool I think I’ll take some time here maybe to kill stuff but it sure is crowded. I really wish they added more channels because it is taking too long for me to level and reach my next class advancement. All these people sure are annoying when I’m just trying to quest and that Necroventer boss was hard. Man, I have to get a Glizardon heart to advance my job and there’s no spawn because everyone is camping it? I am really starting to hate this game.

-Player quits and writes bad review on Steam about bots, grinding, ect-

Whose fault is this? The player’s or the company?

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#68

Some negative reviews are fine. They have their reasons. Im not saying every review should be positive, but there are a huge number of reviews that aren’t legit. Negative reviews that just ask a question like “when will it be f2p?” or “not f2p yet” are different from the ones that dont like the game because of bots and other things.

People dont read and write negative reviews without even playing the game. Spent no time in the game, but lets go ahead and write a bad review about it.

Honestly i think they need to make it so you cant review a game without spending at least 2 hours in the game. If the game isnt their type of game and refund it, how can you leave a review.

Example, lets say i try a my little pony game. This isnt my type of game, but maybe the game is actually really good for the people who do like this gametype. Maybe its the best my little pony game ever created. I spend 5 minutes in the game and leave a negative review “game sucks dont play it”. Legit?

#69

If you have half a brain when looking at reviews you just ignore these things because you understand that the person isn’t giving any important input. All I’ve been trying to say this whole time in the thread is the real reason this game is at 59% mixed because -drum roll- IMC is doing a bad job. They haven’t released any serious content patches or done anything yet to fix all the major server problems people really care about.

You can make a bet when the F2P community does arrive it’s only going to get worse if they keep things exactly how it is now. That little mock up scenario I just came up with is going to drive in more negatives than positive which is why despite bias on both sides it’s really low.

It’s almost like being in denial saying the game deserves better reviews when it really doesn’t with the way they have handled things. Maybe I should just change my negative review complaining about something silly like not getting our iCBT tester arm bands.

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#70

If only the steam rating took that in account.

So you agree that there are some negative reviews that arent legit, then you say this?[quote=“ophiuchu, post:69, topic:211961”]
t’s almost like being in denial saying the game deserves better reviews
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Thats not what it is, i just dont think it deserves all the fake negative reviews.

lol you think they have time for this with all the ■■■■ thats going on? its only been out for a month. They announced a new pvp arena.

#71

Yes, because as someone said before in the thread:

The “trash” reviews biased on either side do balance out somewhere. I’ve mentioned it before that this game is really lacking things to be positive about right now so it’s overall dropping.

Uhhh yeah man. It’s their job and they get paid to do this stuff. Especially when the content is already there in Korea and our fans over here do most of their work translating it for them. Do you think putting files in a patcher that are already there and someone else translates for you is hard? Plus, all these problems have mostly been around for longer than a month.

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#72

Uhh, they are a small team and can only do a certain amount of things at once. You want them to release new content or fix bugs/deal with bots/stabilize servers?

I think the amount of people that leave a negative review without playing far outnumber the ones who leave positive ones without playing.

Since people changing their opinion on forums rarely ever happens and it usually turns into a 100 post argument, Im done for now. Bye.

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#73

This is what happens when the core problems aren’t addressed in alpha and CBT. Plus, this is what happens really when a government or a company takes way too much control of the economy instead of making it completely free market. Negative reviews matter a lot and you’ll be in denial if you think otherwise. The only reason some people are still gonna try out is that this game was advertised and still advertised by friends as the next RO and the attraction of the class system. Performance is and always be one of the major attraction of people to games.

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#74

I think “cute” art style is a stretch here. Unless of course you ignore the hordes of 12 year old looking girls with 80lb titties. As it stands I’d label much of the art style as “creepy” not “cute” but to each their own.

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#75

Agreeeeeeed.

Absolutely pathetic when you compare most of the female character art to the male character art. I’m sure the weebs love it though.

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#76

Necroing this thread now that we are a week after F2P launch for reference of how delusional people can be about problems. But I guess it’s just people exaggerating and making false reviews? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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#77

I mean, you realize the ratings have gone down a further 7% since he posted. So I guess… its nice it didn’t fall faster than it currently is…?

#78

Is that like the silver lining that it’s not falling as fast, but still falling because the game is ridden with hundreds of problems for people to view negatively? :sweat_smile:

#79

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#80

Overall issues within the game have actually increased since the thread was made, but I see that even nearly a month later you still don’t get the point of the thread/OP, which is actually sad.

That second one is a waiting game. If they are improving it, it’ll be awhile until it’s finished. I hope they can get things in order so that the “■■■■ 1 fps engine” is the only legitimate major complain left.

#81

Which would mean if this game had a complete reset of it’s rating at exactly the free to play launch the overall rating would prolly be much worse no? It only further supports why people shouldn’t give it a positive review because there’s 99 problems but worrying about “fake” reviews ain’t one.

At this point every thing you’ve stated originally that they are “working” on is moot. I guess we should give them 6 more months to fix it. :joy:

#82

Hm, likely. Although this time, a large portion of the complaints including ‘Bots’ and ‘Pay to trade’ in their review would have those removed. If they just fixed the server-related issues for SEA/SA, then the game would be in a better state than it was compared to Founders.

They’re handling the Bot issue pretty well compared to before as you’d see if you’re still playing the game, and players can now trade without Tokens, so no, those 2 of 3 things I stated they were working on in the OP are not ‘moot’.

It doesn’t look like you’re trolling, so I’m slightly confused as to how you still didn’t get the point of this thread even after me and others explained it to you; a month later. You don’t really represent your Zodiac sign well lol.

#83

Bots are a huge thing to factor in, the fact that you can report multiple farming bots and hours later still find them farming, is a game killer by itself, cheaters are the most game breaking experience of all.

Game does NOT deserve positive reviews, at least, until bots become mostly unnoticeable, and by that I mean, you wont be finding 5 identical simultaneously running around the same area for 10 hours.