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Daily Dungeon Limit / The 'Daily Heroic' Problem

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#1

Dataminers have determined that dungeon runs will be restricted to twice a day with Token, and once for a non-subscriber in iToS:

Daily dungeon access was reduced from 2 + 3 with token to 1 + 1 with token.

I assume the logic there is that players will feel required to complete all daily dungeons every day for the $massive EXP$, and five dungeons a day is a large time investment, which could lead to burn-out.

I reserve judgement on the limits until we’ve been playing for a while, but I think this is going to be a significant social/community issue:

Average_Kirito: evening guild, anybody wanna dungeon with me?

Friend_1: sorry man, already did it today

Friend_3: yeah same here, already done both, gl though!

This is the same problem WoW had with daily heroic dungeons between patch 2.3 and and 3.3 – doing your daily dungeon would ‘lock’ you to the instance until the next day, preventing you from re-playing it with friends. This was a source of friction, and somebody in guild was inevitably left out because they logged in at a ‘bad’ time.

I’d like to ask IMC if they would consider the following change:

  • Instead of being limited to 1/2 dungeons a day, you may complete unlimited dungeons
  • You will receive a -X% EXP debuff after you have reached your limit.
    • I’m unsure if negating 100% of EXP or merely most of it would be best.
    • Whatever is decided is fine, though – ultimately, as long as you have the freedom to decide if spending 20m in a dungeon with your friends despite getting no benefit, it’s up to the player to make a value judgement.
  • You will be unable to loot items in the dungeon after you have reached your limit.

These changes will still allow players to group with friends/guildies and play together. The game was designed with dungeon EXP / drops being limited, so I think this design would preserve both the integrity of t the game and the community.

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#2

if this is actually correct. This is a far bigger problem than the stupid founders pack. Not only does it limit xp and gear, but it severely limits group play.

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#4

Honestly I like this reduction since most of people just did dungeon all the day, now they need to farm, explore and do other stuffs. About limiting the play with your friends, well if you are friends I think you can wait for them. I have a static for most of dungeons so we wait for each other until a set hour, if one of us is not present at that hour we just run the dngn without him/her, no complains, no regrets. More comunication, less complains guys.

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#5

The problem is, you are not even supposed to play with friends if you want max dungeon exp. You SHOULD use the dungeon finder to get 600% exp. And you cannot queue there with friends (even if there is only 1 friend in your party)

Many people don’t like this system btw, I wonder if it changes in iTOS.

P.S: 1 run per day makes it even worse.

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#6

This is a good idea.

I dont really like current auto match making party because cannot queue and play with my friends because I need to leave party and also people will choose to use matchmaking than premade party because of extra % exp bonuses too.

Also if they can increase dungeon limit per day, that would be great.

#7

If they are going to keep dungeons as the most efficient way of gaining EXP then I think a limit of 1+1 is better than their previous 2+3 limit. Doing 5 dungeons every day would be quite time consuming and make the game way too repetitive. A limit of 2 dungeon runs is much more reasonable to do in a day and encourages you to go out into the world and explore after you finish your daily dungeon runs.

The OPs suggestion of nerfing EXP (enough so it is no longer the optimal levelling path) after you reach your limit also works, but I still think a limit of 2 is reasonable.

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#8

I think they should also buff outdoor maps to give players an alternative, because right now the exp and spawns there are bad.

And let people queue with friends.

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#9

I know. 2 + 1 also not a bad idea. ImO 3 also reasonable.

Btw, this is not the main issue. So, lets hear other people opinion about nerfing exp after dungeon limit. :sunglasses:

#10

IMO, they should make a weekly limit rather than a daily one. It will help people to plan with their friends/guild, and also keep the game attractive for those who don’t play everyday for example.

The matchmaking needs to be reworked some way. I really dislike the random party bonus with no option to queue with friends, it’s a MMO for Laima’s sake :worried:

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#11

That is an excellent idea.

#12

I don’t even want to do dungeons. Please IMC just add more content or make content richer across the board so that i can just chill with my friends, doesn’t matter if they have have token or not.

If you want to listen to my advice, i’ve suggested before:

Add exp bonus outside of dungeons to encourage partying and grinding in groups.

Increase spawn rates on grindable maps and increase difficulty, while making exp more rewarding for partying with your friends.

I have played icbt2 and ktos. This is best for the f2p community and reduce the divide in the economy and token users.

@STAFF_John @STAFF_Ethan :joy::joy::joy::joy:

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#13

while they are at it, increase channels or there will be constant lack of grind spots outside of dungeons when everyone moves from one zone to another in large numbers :frowning:

#14

This is a really well put together post and I agree with everything.

also, +1 to the idea of making it a weekly limit instead. Then we can group up on the weekends or so and get our dungeoning in.

#15

I don’t agree that adding bonus exp to overworld maps is the way to go, but then I also didn’t think adding bonus exp to dungeons was the way to go.

In fact I’d go so far as to say take away the dungeon exp, and instead make it drop rare items rarely. This both gives people an incentive to farm dungeons, but also forces them to make a choice.

Do I farm dungeons and try to get rare gear so farming overworld will be easier, or do I stick with overworld gear and just tough it out with my friends?