Tree of Savior Forum

Concentrate lv10

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

You know after getting lv10 of concentrate I’m actually decently suprised at how much better it is at lv10 vs lv5.

As you are all aware, concentrate has a limited amount of hits available even though the duration is quite long at 45 seconds.

One of the arguments is that you can only use concentrate until you use up the number of hits.

However, after I ranked up concentrate to lv10, the tooltip says 20 hits btw (not 19 as per ToSBase), I find that it is actually almost impossible to use up all 20 hits within 20 seconds (since you don’t have to wait until 45s to recast it, you can recast it after 20 seconds).

The only way I have managed to use up all 20 stacks of concentrate in 20 seconds is to keep using auto attacks against a dummy, and even then the downtime is only a few seconds. Because I mean, you can only get so many auto attacks out in 20 seconds, it’s not gonna be MUCH higher than 20.

Also, a little known fact is multi hits in a skill only uses up 1 stack of concentrate.

So therefore, concentrate is an always-on buff much like gungho, except without the defense penalty at lv10+, and it is higher damage.

(Still pitiful btw, since it won’t scale, but is VERY decent for low levels)

#2

Well, the problems with that is, 1: you need to go Swordsman 2 (at least) to get Concentrate 10, which is considered a really bad choice at rank 2, and 2: there are much better options to get at Swordsman 2 than Concentrate 10. All that is above how bad the skill is at later levels, regardless of potential conctant uptime (having to recast it every 20 seconds is just not good in itself). Right now, Concentrate is best at a max level 5 and just get the attribute maxed out since that’s where the damage comes from. This skill needs a scaling buff OR replaced entirely.

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#3

the problem.

and blessing is better because it works on all lines of auto attacks.

#4

Like what? The best skills at swordsman c2 are pain barrier, concentrate, and restrain imo. You gonna get pommel beat or something? Gungho I find is one of the worst skill for swordies btw, cuz of defense loss and also you can’t use it at the same time as guardian, which is actually one of the best buffs for swordsman due to percentage scaling.

#5

Are you suggesting that concentrate doesn’t?

#6

concentrate only works on your first auto attack… it doesn’t boost cafri or sacrament

#7

Gung Ho’s defense loss becomes negligible at later levels, it also lasts longer meaning you don’t have to recast it ever 20 seconds. As for not being able to use it at the same time as Guardian… If you went Swordsman 2, you probably didn’t/won’t be going Peltasta; you’ll either be going Swordsman 3 or simply skipping Peltasta for better options at that point.

#8

Well depends, with my build I’m going peltasta next rank.

But just generally speaking, Gung Ho is pretty terrible. On my pel hop3 I didn’t use my lv5 gungho at all lol.

#9

Both are terrible, we only use them because that’s what we only have.

Gungho becomes useful if you can 1 skill/1 hit a mob with it, or a map filled with mages.

Concentrate is okay…but if i’m in the middle of killing something I won’t rebuff it as a fencer. for hoplites it’s a good idea (probably)

as for your skill build, you should probably put 2/5 gungho and 3/5 bash, like that 2 points in bash matters anyway

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#10

I find Gung Ho (have attributes) very effective; it gives me a bigger boost than Concentrate at max attributes and lasts longer. But then again, I went 10 Gung Ho, 5 Concentrate.

Edit: That’s a common build to go Swordsman 3 and skip Peltasta as I mentioned. Double Slash is really good from what I hear.

#11

Well gungho gives 85 at lv10 and concentrate gives 111 at lv5.

Sure gungho lasts longer but concentrate is more potent.

#12

Will not use gungho at all. Bash is great cc skill.

#13

Gungho should probably be included in damage calculation on skills after attribute enhance upgrades, while concentrate does not.

I’m not sure about gungho, but I’m sure concentrate doesn’t.

Bash is great cc skill yes, but 3/5 5/5 does about the same anyway. But since you’re fixed on that there’s nothing we can talk about

#14

It does about the same, but makes a difference when you’re trying to level up :stuck_out_tongue: and get to next job and it is your ONLY attacking skill.

So far, just tearing it up with concentrate and bash and pet.

But ya, let’s leave it at that, since we’re not gonna change each other’s minds.

#15

If that was your problem in the first place, you could take gungho level 2 and not upgrade attributes. Now you have 10+ bonus attack on everything including your bash with a little def reduction.

And by then you will have a choice to use gungho on higher level maps like Ibre Plateau where guardian doesn’t do anything. Or use it for farming lower level maps where you can 1 hit with gungho+attributes up, you get the idea.

(sorry, I cannot resist to not reply lol)

#16

Could also go Thrust 2 for a second, spammable offensive option until you get another source of pierce damage once you’re Cataphract.

You want an underrated skill? Thrust.

#17

Thrust is trash lol. I don’t want any points in skills I’m not gonna use later on. This is my second swordie so I have a good grasp on what I’m gonna use at higher levels.

#18

gung ho buff can be amplified with deeds of valor, also it can increase final crit damage.
I dunno if concentrate damage gets the crit multiplier, but it is good for multhit skills.

-about thrust-
its really bad, but u can try to use it. Why? Double slash does additional damage to targets under bleeding effect (how much? idk :D).
So u need restrain to to make it happen with sword 3 only.
_its still garbage lvl, but it can be a skill combo.

#19

Let the one who followed the disgraceful path of Swordsman C2 answer that! x) Gung Ho is basically an addition, or extension if you prefer, to your character’s physical attack. It scales normally as your weapon base attack would. As for Concentrate, it simply adds a fixed ammount of damage by the end. It seems not reduceable by defence and works similarly to Blessing with the exception it does not apply to different damage lines.

Sure it is super useful at low levels but… well its preference, one would say.

#20

The reason I find Thrust underrated is because, if you don’t go with a spear class, you’re out pierce damage for quite a while. Also, it’s very versatile because it’s spammable/doesn’t have a cooldown, meaning you always have SOMETHING to use your MP on.