So I was thinking of making a Sapper, would a better build be
A2-Sapper3-Rogue-Cannoneer
Or
A2-Sapper2-Scout-Rogue-Cannoneer?
Thanks!
Currently sap3 doesn’t give you much. I prefer 2nd than the 1st build. But you’ll have hard time to lvling until you become cannoneer. (2class for just broom trap,1 class for just cloak, and1 class for just for capture) you can’t do much when broom trap and capture in cooldown
Is there any alternative that you can recommend? I’m really new to archer, and I think sapper looks sick.
A2-Sapper2-?-Cannon?
IMO your build might have potential in pvp where you can do manything with trap (eg lay trap conceal /capture trap) [but myself don’t have much experience in this pvp part so don’t trust this too much)
From what i usually see sapper build are
Ar2-Sa2-Wu2-cannoneer
Ar3-sa2-fa1-cannoneer
Ar2-sa2-fl3
Ar1- ra/qs1-sa2- ra/qs3-r7
Etc.
Sapper problem is lack of reliable skill and long cd
-Broom trap is really good but40sec cd and can’t hit flying enemy
-stokage deal nice dmg but need to lure enemy to run over and over which usually useful in solo vs group of ground melee enemy(in team fight this skill can’t help much)
-claymore too expensive at low lv and dmg scale fall off at higher
-punji slow cast time may kick enemies away from ally aoe( in some situation when enemy density is really highcan deal powerful dmg, but too situational.
-collar bomb nice dmg but need to use melee range, enemy can resist and can mis if you don’t aim properly
Spike shooter very long cd only hit hard when the setting is right but not much compare to R7. Skill
You may need some ranger2-3 or ar3 or maybe qs for low cd skill that can help you farm at lower lv
Hi there, currently using your first build (i’m sapper 3 almost rogue now)
I agree on one thing, sapper 3 isn’t really worth taking … Spike shooter is super useless, considering the CD it has it doesn’t even burst that much. The only good thing as sapper C3 for me is Collar Bomb 10 (when the skill actually works xD)
Im currently A2>SAP2 so i guess i have some experience with sappers.
No matter what you do, DO NOT GO SAPPER3. Its really beyond useless.
My build used to be quite the same as yours, but then i met a cannonneer in game and man, the guy is so damn disappointed with cannoneer. He told me his cannoneer kit brings a lot of aoe damage to the party, but when it comes down to boss monsters he never gets a box. No enough single target damage at his disposal.
Just think long and hard if this is the path you wanna go. Something like A2>Sap2>Wu2>Musk is very balanced between aoe and single target damage.
I see, that was one build I was thinking of too, but I heard Wugushi was kinda shitty. But I’ve been grouped with some and they did great damage imo. Might actually go that build that you suggested, but you think I can sub out Wugushi2 for Scout->Rogue->Cannoneer? Or do you think this still lacks in single target?
claymore is not too expensive it cost as much as pots really.
You won’t even use it that much out of dungeons.
Broom Trap’s cooldown is 40 seconds but it’s inactive for 25 seconds.So it’s usually up everytime you need it. Stockade sucks if you didn’t go QS because they are the only ones with provoke skills, same for collar bomb.
300silver per use is expensive at R3-R4 where your lv is still around 45-110 (you’ll still get some silver but less income) compare to other skill like broom trap or punji which cost 36 silver per use.
I didn’t mean broom trap isn’t doing well. broom trap is a really good skill that many people used their 2 ranks just for this skill, but I mean you can’t alway relie on just only broom trap you need some skill to use/support when it’s on cd.
I play Ar3>Sap2>falconer and most of time I use multishot, twin arrow and broom trap. and sometime use stokade when solo when run into group of melee enemy and my broom trap is still cd
It’s because you have no real way of aggroing the screen with that build really. I play QS1>Sap2>Wugu and all it takes for me is to put a pavise on one side and another. All the enemies run towards it and into broom trap and spike. while I attack.
It’s just more of a hassle because if you don’t have aggro skills you need more attack skills to cover up for what your aoes don’t cover.
1 Like
I went A1 > QS1 > Sapper2 > going Wugushi 2 then Musk or Cannon - Thinking Musk for the single target since I’m mainly AOE otherwise… but Cannoneer looks awesome also.
Sapper 3 is not worth it. I’ve heavily researched this and getting lvl 10 Broom is about all you gain… IMO not worth a whole circle.
So far Claymores can be expensive but it’s great against flying mobs since most of your others don’t hit them. (can get +250% against flying) late game the price isn’t too bad.
I mind having QS1 is great for mobbing up enemies to use your skills.
Keeping Oblique shot at rank 1 is great for spam filler and Stone Shot can be alright also.
I’d say figure out if you want to go fully AOE or a mix of both.
I think Archer C1, QS C1, Sapper C2, Wugushi C2 and then either Cannoneer or Musketeer.
lack of my aggro I’ll leave it to my friends(I have RL friends who go in dun with so I can build like this leave aggro to them and focus on my aoe/team aoe dmg).
Fair enough. I like to do a lot of solo play, plus I don’t even find myself using Multi Shot all that much to justify rank 10. I prefer the QS skills you gain tbh.
But I think everyone in this thread can agree Sapper 3 is not worth it, at least ATM.
I will pipe in and say Ranger 1 is a good replacement for Archer 2, because of all the flying mobs you’ll encounter. It’s semi-decent to pull in some mobs too, especially due to the awful target lock system that seems to grow weaker with every new map I encounter =.=
You need to specialize your build completely for single target damage if you want to compete for World Boss boxes. You can’t go half way, because anyone who went all the way single target damage is going to beat your balanced aoe/single target spec.
Sapper is not a world boss killing class. Going Musketeer instead of Cannoneer will not fix that.
what about A2>R1>S3> Cannoneer?
and why sapp3 is bad?
Sapper 3 only gives you: Lv 10 Broom Trap.
…That’s it. Collar Bomb is unreliable, Spike Shooter is terrible, and none of the other traps are any more useful with more skill points in them than before.
If you’re going A2> R1, I recommend going A1 > R1 > A2, just to get the AoE for the dungeons. I don’t remember when rank 3 starts but a Lv 5 Barrage will be good to have.
Replace S3 with something else. Please. Save yourself the heartache.
ok. but what prefer for cannoneer?
maybe A3>R1>S2? or A1>R3>S2? or smthing different?
A2 > R1 > S2 > Falc > Cannon ?
Not too sure on meta builds since people on the forums like to jump at every kToS patch, which we seem to be getting at…who knows when.
Huh… I was sitting here planning to go C3 because I thought the extra levels of broom would be worth it. I read quite a bit of guides, and a lot of them say not to expand too much, because then you have a bunch of low level skills vs. less higher level skills. Now I need to go back to the drawing board.