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[Class] Kabbalist Overview

I’m planning to use a build like this:

Any suggestions?

Zaibas from Krivis doesn’t scale well with SPR but Zalciai does scale very well with it :slight_smile: (Just wanted to point out)

It’s doable… I will tell you the Heal Boxes are MUCH better late game, because you can set up 3 to 4 instances of Heal Tiles waiting for your Allies. Mass Heal is much more difficult to land, as a result has a better Heal Amount. Depending on your Party Composition, Heal Tiles are better than Mass Heal and Vice Versa. Usually high mobility composition (Chrono, Catas, etc.) Heal Tiles are better as they are too fast to land Mass Heal. Also Heal scales better than Mass Heal as about 4 to 5 Tiles is equal to 1 Mass Heal on a Player in the Lv200+ range. Cleric 2 is fairly standard in terms of a Full Support PvE build, not only for Heal, but SZ, Divine Might and Fade are also awesome.

However if you do choose to take out Cleric 2. Your pathing may look like this…

Cleric 1 > Priest 3 > Chaplain (it’s a Rank 5 Class) > FREE > Kabbalist

For the FREE slot. Paladin 1 is a good option, gets you 2 Auras for Elemental Defense and HP & SP Restoration. Oracle 1 will get you some Utility Spells, Forecast is great, Arcane Energy is a plus.


@raphaelcmacedo

Are you doing an INT Kabbalist build with this? Sadhu, Krivis and Druid are all better with INT rather than SPR. If you are consider the following changes…

Cleric 1
Cure Lv5 instead of Deprotect Zone: Deals good Damage early game and actually scales with INT. Deprotect doesn’t scale well into the Late game unless you have a fairly high amount of SPR.

Krivis 2
Zalciai 3: Only need 3 for Magic Amp Attribute. Nothing scales off of Critical Attack in your build.
Diano Max: This is the best buff you can get for Krivis 2, go all in.

Other than that the skill build is solid in Sadhu, Druid and Kabbalist. I hope you are doing an INT:CON build with this.


@kittytrooper

If you look at the context of the build from the OP. He was asking if SPR 3:CON 1 would work with their Krivis > Paladin build. I am aware the Zalciai scales well with SPR, but in the context of his build it’s 1 of 2 abilities that Scale with SPR. Where as INT would be better for them because it gives them good Damage early on for Leveling with Zaibas, Heal and Cure. I also mentioned the Class Krivis as a whole doesn’t scale well with SPR not just the ability.

It is not a criticism of your advice for a switch to INT for that build (and I agree with you) :slight_smile:
Just wanted to point it out for others thinking of SPR support builds who want to pick up K1.

@Sakane
It’s a int build indeed.

About the cure lvl 5, I’ve already set the points at deprotected zone, but no problem.

The Zalcai and Diano, I agree with your point. The only problem is that my Zalcai is already lvl 6, so it’ll be Zalcai 6 Daino 9.

It’s the problem of first char, but thank you very much for your help.

No worries. Good luck! Keep on Grinding~

Krivis1 is a terrible pick up. Here’s why:

What you gain…
Diano Lv5
Zaibas Lv5
Zalciai Lv3
Aukuras Lv2

I am of the strong opinion that a Player should not pick up a Single Rank in a Class, unless that Single Rank nets you either extremely good buffs that scale well (Paladin1) or a lot of useful Utility (Oracle). Diano 5 is outclassed by Pardoner Scrolls, they are cheap to buy and there are plenty of them. Zaibas falls off HARD because of the number of hits, using it for AoE is bad because each mob consumes a hit. Zalciai is not terrible, the Attribute is the only saving grace in an INT build otherwise just no. Aukuras is… cute… it can aggro mobs but the Health Restore and Accuracy reduction are useless at level 2.

It only gets worst with the knowledge that all the Classes and Ranks haven’t even been implemented. And with no way (currently) to reset Class Ranks, you will likely regret doing so.

But yes… that’s just my opinion.

Like I said I agree with you regarding K1 for INT builds, but people (of which there are many) who are not fully aware and haven’t done much research into the difference between INT and SPR in their builds can get unfairly put off by people stating their opinions on K1, imo.

Without meaning to hi-jack the thread away from Kab any more than this, and simply just because it’s important to balance opinions for others who are less informed (ie. not to pick a fight or argue with you Sakane), here are the reasons for picking up K1 on a SPR build (where anything more than K1 would certainly be a waste):

  1. SPR build Zalciai can improve physical class critical damage by between 15-35% depending on their build (tested in other threads possible to find through search) not accounting for the additional crit rate if you are able to coordinate it to hit both allies and monsters. It also gives 48 magic amp but I’ve not seen anyone testing the damage effect of that yet.
  2. Daino is the only way to increase buff limit in PVP/GVG since scrolls aren’t allowed (if you care about that).
  3. Everyone talks of Daino scrolls as an excuse for not picking up K1 for Daino. Perhaps at end game people do buy and use them for the benefit of the party, but up until L240 I’ve noticed this is a rare event and yet people will still spam useless buffs. With an uptime of 4-5 mins (assuming attributes) it is a good thing there are “plenty” of them because you’d need plenty if you want longer uptime.
  4. Aukuras is cute :3 Applies debuff useful for PD Incinerate, which makes 2 debuffs from K1 if you can land Zalciai (which did I mention has 100% up time). And it sounds dumb, but when you don’t have a Peltasta (or have a rubbish one) the aggro is handy if you know how to use it.

My opinions on apples vs oranges. Thank you for discussion Sakane :slight_smile:

I’m not in end game level yet but in Klaipeda server, Daino scroll price is rigged. Stocking level 5 for 1 hour is 20x price than buying all 3 Priest buff together, I still need to rethink to buy a stock of 80k item when my money is less than 1 million (cos you can attribute or whatever else you want)… I pick Krivis C1 and I actually like it. There are ice/water element monsters in early level 20-35 and mid level 70-75 on Orsha regions that you can grind (the spawn is really mass there so casting Zaibas between 5-6 standing monsters will kill all of them). So you can skip some quest arcs or do them for unused EXP cards (Lv 4 or 5 ones are big deal).

I think that grinding in 5-7 different areas in early level for few hours and resulting to save EXP cards will be less boring than grinding in one specific spot in level 165 later… We can consider a circle class that can give huge contribute to leveling process…

@kittytrooper @rveins

When making the Overview I had to weight Ability, Stats, Leveling, Class Synergy, kToS Trends, iToS Trends, etc. With that, I came to the conclusion that while you are ‘self-sufficient’ as a Buffer with Krivis1, the other Abilities fall short for me to recommend it as a 1 Class pickup for a Full-Support build. Especially with a build such as Cleric 2>Priest 3>etc.

When it comes to the Leveling process each Player’s experience is vastly different. While it is significantly easier to Level with Krivis1 early on, the class falls off later in terms of Damage falls off without INT, and Class Synergy. I simply cannot understand why it is suggested 1 Class Rank out of 7 (currently) to be devoted to a Class that only increases your builds QoL.

Some of the recommended and popular builds hone in on a concept or focus. Want to play a World Boss Destorying Cleric? Try Cleric2>Diev3>Druid1>PD. Want a Glass Cannon Wizard? Try Wizard3>Ele3>Warlock. These build focus on a task they want to preform, they have their shortcomings, but overall set out to do the task the Player is trying to achieve.

Anyways…I still think it’s not an optimal pick up in the long run, but I am glad we can understand each others viewpoints

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Hey guys, i plan on building c2/diev3/oracle/cabbalist, as there are mainly 3 hard to land magic spells with long cd (carve owl/merkabah/RS) - im going to invest 50-100 in int just for abit more heals, and then fullcon

the question is following----
-will this build be okay in party-lategame-content as full support? (practically it is full support)
this build is focused on pvp (i hope PDs are going to be nerfed) but im rly concerned bout being useful in pve (i will need only 6kk just for and oracle’s change attribute),i mean, will this meta appreciate a guy wihout PD and without priests in build?

yea the cleric 2 and diev is good enough, the level 10 heal makes you very much a full support already.

In theory you can do a full INT with some CON stat build with that class build, as SPR really doesn’t effect many of your abilities.

Oracle rounds you out, good pve abilities, with some decent pvp abilities. Have you considered Druid? I’ve heard rumors that the Telepath ability works on Players which let’s you run people into your Carve Owls and Druid AoEs.

As I see it right now, the current state of the Meta, there are TOO many PDs running around. Though, people are starting to realize the value in Kabbalist and non-Priest supports in general. You’ll be fine.

I blame math skills for the relatively small number of our population. =/ Oh, and 40 sec ++ cd. PD always steals the spotlight. Ufufufu.

Stay unwavering, fellow Kabbalists! :star_of_david:

It is more of the marketing of the class at work. There are streamers showcasing PD builds and detailed guides on PD. The game also spots a big group of highly competitive players who prefers tried and tested meta builds than having to explore into the unknown.

All these contribute to the low population of Kabbalists. Sometimes it is just sad, I had people tell/ask me “What is a Kabbalist?” and “I didn’t know this class even exists” in game.

Hahah, what did you say to them?

Then should we make some breakthrough videos showcasing Kabba goodness? :v Or create our own meta!

I recalled in a saalus convent mission that one of my teammates kept seeing numbers pooping around the monsters.

Didn’t bother to tell him what’s that for, since I was kinda busy making sure everyone survive.

On the other hands, sorcerers are getting friendly with me since they like the SP restore thingy, especially in missions.

My reply is:

In a nutshell, Kabbalist is a walking SP potion that you will love

It is very hard to teach the players how Kabbalist works when most of them are very used to the concept of seeing “huge flow of numbers” means a good class. Everyone wants to be in the limelight, showcasing big damage numbers and gaining wows and wooos from the other players.

Support based classes who work silently in the background are usually not noticeable. Most players when look at online videos they will look at how good the dpser is in killing the boss fast and not how well the healer/buffer/tank works to keep the party intact/healthy/survive.

But then there are still players who appreciate a Kabbalist. I once had someone who tell me to become his waifu so I can keep supporting his SP hungry warlock lol. >.>

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I can’t say if thats a good thing… >,>

I think back in RO, this is the case as well. Lol. Lots of DPS classes marrying a priest.