You gave me the most detailed summary about the Oracle class, thank you so much !!
Just one more question:
You said Jackpot monsters gives 100x more silver than normal ones. But how about drop?
For example: if a jackpot monster has 300x drop rate, and i can change 1 jackpot per hour, and in a hour i can kill around 150 monsters, obviously in this specific case oracles has an huge vantage about the other classes, it is not?
one of my theories is that only certain monsters have bugged loot tables
from my experience:
jackpot from oracle on silver = x100 silver
jackpot from oracle on drops = original% * 1000
i dont know the number but lets call it 1000 for example
(if original% becomes 100% or higher you get guaranteed drop, if its 99% you do not get the drop)
ie: item A has 0.1% to drop - jackpot from oracle*1000 makes it 100% you get the item
Item B has 0.01% to drop - jackpot from oracle makes it 10% yet you will never get the item, no matter how many times you try because only 100% drops are guaranteed items, anything below 100% is automatically nope.
i would be thrilled to see somebody disprove it (preferably a video) but im pretty confident over here
if it gets changed oracles will become OP as â â â â when it comes to grinding 
Hmm, very interesting
But, in the case of dropping more than one item?
I took a screenshot:
http://imgur.com/eHdMXZE
If that happens, can you drop the 100% item and the 1% item too?
i actually idk here, yognomes have been very buggy in my experience when it came to resetting/clairvoyance
i had times when i pop reset & get a shining yognome (original monster had 220 level) kill it yet get absolutely nothing
i had times when i pop clairvoyance and see 200k item that i want, for the lulz i use resetting to hopefully get more silver (cuz why not) that monster becomes regular yognome - i kill it and it drops what you have in screenshot
so yeah, im trying to stay away from anything related to yognomes =)
Hahahaha i see âŚ
In printscreen I was testing the mechanics of the tree of savior, it seems that the drop is really confined to the monster respawn
I used clairvoyance
The result appeared is located in the attached image above
Iâve attacked the monster in order to mark it (I left it with 54% HP to remember which of yognome I used clairvoyance)
Disconnected game
I logged in again, and after i killed yognome it has dropped exactly the predicted items by clairvoyance at the picture
I do not think Yognome (originals) are buggy, it must be a bug from âmanufacturedâ Yognomes (after using Change skill)
sorry bad english hahaha
I wish we could Foresee playerâs AOE/skills with casting bar in PvP 
yeah original yognomes are fine, it only affects the ones after change
just become an oracle here.
I tried reading from the top about change,reset and clair and i still dont understand how to maximize its usefulness
so if i use change only once, loot table remains the same to previous monster?
and if i change twice on the same monster, the loot will follow the new monster?
how much value att pts should i invest to jackpot change for a start? since i have only a few mill and still looking to fullyequiped my oracle first.
In some cases yes, in others no.
Every test so far proves so, but there can still be issues with it considering how buggy the skill is.
If you only have a few millions you should be looking forward to gear yourself first. As mentioned before, the attribute is going to take around 4 millions just to get it to atrib level 30.
Man, you are everywhereâŚ
Thanks for your informative replies tho
I guess, Iâll try for lvl 10 first then
but⌠this is my threadâŚ
Hello, Oracles. Iâm trying to create a character with 2 ranks of Oracle, but with Priest in the path as well. Can you help me decide with of the 3 is best:
Cleric1-Priest1-Priest2-Priest3-Chaplain-Oracle1-Oracle2
Cleric1-Priest1-Priest2-Priest3-Cleric2-Oracle1-Oracle2
Cleric1-Priest1-Priest2-Priest3-Krivis1-Oracle1-Oracle2
If you have any suggestion, like changing Priest into a different class, feel free to tell me as well.
Thatâs a good mix between support and DPS. That circle in chaplain helps you a lot with solo leveling. The problem with that build is the lack of healing. Just Mass Heal and Heal 5 is a bit lacking and your party might find themselves having to wait for your heal cooldowns to be healed.
More support build. Youâll struggle a bit to solo level. But that second circle in cleric makes a HUGE difference for healing. You can now heal considerably well and you have a reliable safety zone.
I donât recommend builds with Krivis 1 just for Daino. There are Daino scrolls and Krivis 1 is plain horrible (in my opinion). You can do that only if youâre considering a very SPR heavy build (to boost Zalciai with) and pure support. But still, Cleric 2 might be a better idea for healing.
Well all that being said, with the current game content Oracle 2 is pretty bad. If youâre aiming for Oracle 3 in the future and want to level that character to wait on rank 8 classes, thats okay. But other than that, donât make a Oracle 2.
Hey, thanks for the reply. Those are some good reasons. I already have another main cleric-priest, and was trying to create an oracle just to see what its 3rd rank will be like in the future. With PvE sorted out, which one do you think is more suitable for PvP/GvG?
I donât really PvP, so my answer is based on stuff iâve read around rather than my own experience:
You might want to pick Oracle -> PD for PvP. Bloodletting is getting a hard nerf to its uptime so having Prophecy to back you up is sort of essential (hence donât discard the oracle circle). Oracle 2 is basically just going to give you a higher skill level in prophecy, which isnât bad, but doesnât compare to PDâs debuff protection skills.
Counter Spell is really good in PvP but you need to prevent yourself from physical knockbacks as well. You could do that through a SPR build and Stone Skin, but stone skin is getting a hard nerf for PvP as well (from 4 x SPR block to 0.5 x SPR block).
You can achieve physical immunity through high DEX + evasion + monstrance, but that means getting insanely high DEX and not much into other stats. Your other option is to focus on CON instead of DEX and just mitigate damage with sheer amount of HP.
Ressurection is pretty good in GvG, that means Priest 1 is the best cost-benefit circle from the priest circles you are getting (in PvP situations). Priest 2 and 3 donât add too much for PvP.
The dievdirbys statues are getting their durations increased to 15 minutes in PvP. That, and the fact Ausrine is a pretty good PvP skill, might want to make you consider into the Diev 3 path too.
Heal squares on the floor got their duration reduced from 40 sec to 10 sec in PvP. That means stacking on heals for later use is no longer possible. You can choose to pick cleric C2 for healing, but I think C3 might be overkill already.
Ah well, forgot to say those changes are mostly for kToS and not iToS yet. But you might want to base your future builds with such changes.
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but⌠this is my threadâŚ
[/quote]youâre still everywhere.
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I donât recommend builds with Krivis 1 just for Daino. There are Daino scrolls and Krivis 1 is plain horrible (in my opinion). You can do that only if youâre considering a very SPR heavy build (to boost Zalciai with) and pure support. But still, Cleric 2 might be a better idea for healing.
Well all that being said, with the current game content Oracle 2 is pretty bad. If youâre aiming for Oracle 3 in the future and want to level that character to wait on rank 8 classes, thats okay. But other than that, donât make a Oracle 2.
[/quote]Daino scrolls get expensive really quickly though (90~126k for lv5 ones per hour iirc, assuming 5~7k fluctuating price). Not really any good for regular play.
Also, itâs not like non-SPR builds donât benefit from Krivis: normally Priest3 is either SPR or INT anyway, and anything with INT in it will like lv5 Zaibas for the extra dps. Zalciai magic amp attribute exists too, and aukuras+squire combo can be a thing.
Same though, imo itâd be much better to just go Oracle1 and throw Cleric2 on there. Unless Oracle3 happens to bring something miraculously op⌠which doesnât sound very likely to me 
(also Cleric3 with an INT build is op in GvG)
Iâm just not very fond of Krivis. I really want to like Krivis, but I just feel they are considerably underwhelming compared to Cleric. Zaibas dmg is on par with Cure and cleric circles add much more than Krivisâ ones do (more healing, safety wall, divine might). Zalciai magic amp is really bad for not scaling, Itâs not really worth one buff slot just for the fix +42 magic amp.
I donât find Daino to be all that useful. You already have 8 (i think?) buff slots by default with token and attribute. Many buffs are complete waste of slots (Reflect Shield, Swift Step, âŚ). Youâre basically getting a skill just to prevent yourself from being overbuffed by bad party members buffs. And then on the situations you really need Daino, then you have the scrolls.
To me, Krivis circles are only worth taking if you are already a Cleric 3 but want more placeable AoEs magic damage skills 
But again, thatâs just my opinion.
Yeah⌠Me 
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Iâm just not very fond of Krivis. I really want to like Krivis, but I just feel they are considerably underwhelming compared to Cleric. Zaibas dmg is on par with Cure and cleric circles add much more than Krivisâ ones do (more healing, safety wall, divine might). Zalciai magic amp is really bad for not scaling, Itâs not really worth one buff slot just for the fix +42 magic amp.
I donât find Daino to be all that useful. You already have 8 (i think?) buff slots by default with token and attribute. Many buffs are complete waste of slots (Reflect Shield, Swift Step, âŚ). Youâre basically getting a skill just to prevent yourself from being overbuffed by bad party members buffs. And then on the situations you really need Daino, then you have the scrolls.
To me, Krivis circles are only worth taking if you are already a Cleric 3 but want more placeable AoEs magic damage skills
But again, thatâs just my opinion.
[/quote]Zaibas might be comparable dmg to Cure, but itâs also one more good skill for the dmg rotation. For Cleric, who struggles with INT fillers unless they go for certain classes (Bokor), this is a pretty great help⌠and Zaibas dmg being comparable to Cure only means Zaibas is really good, since Cureâs scaling is op in the first place
thatâs 9 if you take the token, not everyone has token though, especially if the player is new
Thing is, Cleric2>Priest3 in particular has way too many buffs, so itâs very very easy to overbuff your party members yourself. You have:
Granted only 4/5 of those would be active 100% of the time, or used constantly in DMâs case⌠but you canât assume wiz/archer party members have token unless youâre doing high level content (hence 6 limit), and you need the freedom to be able to Stoneskin/Revive/SZ/Fade (#whenthetankfails) whenever, without worrying about buff limits.
Then you take self-buffs and buffs of later ranks into consideration⌠and well, â â â â . That build with PD or Chaplainâs completely screwed without Daino, and many classes do have quite a few self-buffs.
In addition, considering IMC has expressed concern about Pardoner - and in particular, about Pardoner stealing the usefulness of Krivisâs Daino through scrolls - itâs very reasonable to expect that in the future, at the very least, Daino wonât be eligible for Simony anymore. This might take a year or more to happen, but on some builds I definitely donât want this risk, and Cler2>Priest3 is one of them.
All this isnât usually a problem if the build has no P3 in it though.
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