paladin inquis doesnt have a rotation, they just smite and conviction and god smash things to death. thats what dragons should do, after looking a few videos i think dragoon should be buffed a little due to it being single target but at the same time not a huge buff so it can still kill a single monster faster than a PD2, but the PD2 will kill 30 monsters faster than the dragoon
Nobody asks for big buffs to swordsman, we just want swordsman to be able to compete with other classes to their designated role.
Swordsman should be more than just a swashbuck tool.
I like it.
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Nice post for some skills, but not for all.
What do you mean with âI donât think it should steal other players circles that are not in your partyâ in the Reversi comment?
Why would anyone ever want to steal a party magic circle? â-â
if swordsman is a swashbuckiling tool then what is wizard? dps only slave?
or cleric? a healing tool?
if you want swordsman damage to be as good as other classes (which it is), then cleric dps has to be just as good
maybe they should jsut buff up swordsman defense tools to make them a good tank
you guys will turn into those monks that dont try to heal, remeber, you guys are only class that can taunt, dont get carried away with trying t be top dps (which i can tell you are trying to not do your role of taunting)
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For starters, cleric is already support by its core.
At the very present what makes swordsman a viable tank comparing to other classes such as full con Cryo is because of the fact that swordsman has swashbuck.
But yet again, im claiming that youre stuck in your tunnel vision that swordsman doesnt deseve to be a considerable DPS class because âthey are melee they are supposed to tankâ
Also have you seen Dievderbys dps? They can be Support and still contribute with dps just as much as a swordie.
And swordsman became a swachbucking tool only because they are not needed for anything else.
Golly
We can all simplify all these to really understand why the game is unbalanced and what class needs to be nerfed/buffed (personally, I hate nerfs - IMC almost always overdo them):
Which class tree can be removed yet still allow every content (ET, missions, dungeons, quests, TBL, etc.) in the game accessible by everyone with just the 3 other class trees left?
Thereâs your answer. If an entire tree becomes optional, they might as well remove it if they canât improve it.
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theyre not needed for anything other than tanking because archer and wizards will always be better dps.
cleric dont bring as much dps as wizards and archrs, but have heals and invinciblity. does that mean that they are useless like you say swordsmen are?
sworsmen bring a lure to make sure nobody else gets hurt, they dont bring as much as archers and wizards but does this make swordsman useless
a swashbuckler will always be needed just as much probably even more than a dps. a team of full dps would die a lot, atleast a swashbuckler wouldnt let that happen as much.
you guys bring good dps, but your main irreplaceable role is to lure (in playerbase preference) , similar to a cleric, they bring in good dps but their main irreplaceable role is to heal.
if swordsmen could both dps as much as wizard/archr annd lure and cleric could both dps as much as wizards/archers and heal then 80% of wizard builds would no longer be needed and archers would be useless because a swordsman can do just as much dps as an archer but also has higher health, can lure and tank ect.
so heres a summary of why swordsman damage should not be as good as archer/wizard:
if it was, then those 2 classes would be useless because swordsman can do their main role just as good and maybe better and can also play another role effeciently.
thats like giving wizard heals as good as clerics, wizards would be able to heal as good as clerics and do better dps, clerics would be useless.
you guys are compalining about how wizards can do your role just as good as you can(which is a problem) but you guys want to do their role just as good as them.
either archer or wizard (proabably archer)
every class can dps, which is the only thing archer brings to a party.
wizards bring dps and support
swords bring tanking and dps
clerics bring heals/support and dps
archers bring dps only
Time to remove any class that belongs to swordsman that does not offer any ta ny feature 
âI see that you use 2handed swords, youre drum rolls a tank!â
So youre assuming that parties would want 1 healer and other spots swordsman only, because they offer the same dps as other classes?
Hello? Melee? Damage taken? time to watch all swordies fight over the heals?
have you seen Featherfoot? They an heal and did not make cleric irrelevant.
They can heal, but they are not healing to the point were they make another class useless.
Which yet again is waht swordsman wants to be able to do, just be on par.
Wow, sorry but youâre really clueless.
Do you have a 280? Have tried rolling for each class? Have you joined a decent ET party? Have you been in high rank TBL 5v5 matches? You could have at least did some research.
In case it wasnât clear enough â itâs the swordsman tree. Itâs the optional class.
Letâs not even talk about R8 for now. Sure, swordmen are gonna be top WBers by then, but what about other content? Are we really sure IMC arenât gonna fu ck things up?
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i can survive without archers, wizards do as much damage as them and cant be blocked and can cc ext.
swordsmen make sue nobody else takes damage.
if we removed swordsman, most peoplke would panic, archer can be replaced easilty
Most dungeons can already be completed without swordsman.
Some even easier without swordsman simple because the dps is too high for bosses to be able to deal any damage. Try Siaulai with 4 archers and 1 swordsman, Swashbuck is not even needed.
And we are not here to talk about what you can personally do, what we got here is the game in general.
Those who donât know or never bothered to learn how to play their class will panic.
With the abudance of immunity, invulnerability and CC other classes can provide, who needs a tank? Everyone can be tank.
of course silualia with 4 archeers 1 swordsman you wont need swordsman.
a dungeon with 4 archer 1 wizard you woulnt need to wizad, even if it was a support
you wouldnt even need a cleric
all can âtankâ, but only swordsman can truly tank. swodsman is only class with block or lure.
Yep, youâre clearly clueless.
At least watch some high floor ET clearing vids next time then come back here and tell me which of the party members is better replaced by a swordsman? Even top ET clearers admit that a swordsman is the last option for a 5th guy.
View the 5v5 TBL rankings and see what classes are dominating the top? Youâll likely see a few catagoons but that fact itself is evidence of how stupid it is that only a specific build from the sword tree can compete on the very least when the 3 other trees enjoy variation in builds for both PvP and PVE.
You can actually do other dungeons besides siaulai aswell with full archer parties, the one and only thing swordsman can contribute with is indeed swashbuck, and its only for convenience, not a necessity.
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this doesnt mean swordsman deserves a dps buff, just a tanking buff
swordsamn can contribute with dps, just not as good as archer. just like how cleric can do the same