Tree of Savior Forum

Cataphract build check

Class and Rank Swordsman
#21

here’s the list for skill that can be used while mounted

@buggushippu Im currently going for Str 4 Con 2 Dex 1, but Str 2 Con 1 Dex 1 is also a good build. Since you are in PvE you dont need high Dex… for instance im at 280 str and 70 dex and only very high evasive monster avoid a few of my attacks… so going with 4 dex is really overkill.

Now you might say pure dex build is a thing… yes but above lvl 200 mobs arent affected as much by that type of build… making STR focused build much more viable at later level… so I can’t imagine a dex build near lvl 400 ( which isnt available yet)

So my recommandation would be 2:1:1 or 4:2:1 however If I had to choose between your 2 option 3:2:1 sounds better.

@minisgreatonepwnsall HopC2 is great however since you are talking about r8, we dont know what skill DragoonC2 holds… so we cannot speculate too much about that possibility. I would say both dragoon and HopC2 are equal in term of usefulness at the current max level. but aside from that everything you said is mostly true. HopC2 offer alots of damage with lunge and their skill synergie.

@mystakas88 peltasta is useful even in PvP builds… plus you gain nothing from SwordsmanC2 or highlander… so peltasta is the proper way to go for any build that isnt going SwordsmanC3… Unless in the future they buff SwordsmanC2 states… I dont see any point in it for now.

and taunt will make your leveling easier… and you WILL be more wanted for dungeon runs and anything to be honest… swordsman are regarded as the lowest ■■■■ right now unless you have taunt haha

#22

you can’t drop pelt for hoplite, you don’t have the option until r3

#23

Im pretty sure im gonna need taunt to do my job propperly as a swordsman on PvE, dont think i can drop the taunt, i see that i like it more as a wizard when the swordsman can actually hold the initial aggro and let me braindead dps

#24

Yeah man, I’m saying its not set in stone, but IMO getting hop c2 is probably better than dragoon right now, then you can get dragoon 1 rank late and be better off than most dragoon c2 potentially Unless Dragoon c2 gets something crazy, obviously more duration on GB will be nice but unless its something that outweighs hop2 then mostly you’ll just get to dragoon a bit later but be much better off once you get there.

There is also possibility for other jobs to come out with spear/mount synergy that we don’t know about; we know hackabell exists for achers so their might be a high tier mount class that we’ve yet to discover, I think hop2 is just better all around especially when you consider future proofing into the mix.

(unless IMC is based god and gives us circle resets upon large updates, which I doubt they would.)

#25

I was first thinking about building a swordsman because of the murmillo class teaser video, then i saw a goddamn cataphract spinning his spear like a madman and running at the speed of light and it seems fun.

Not dropping dragoon r7 tho, outfit looks too nice

#26

My bad then, though if he’s damage oriented he should go Sw2 at the least…

As for you keeping aggro I just don’t see the point of going cata 3 with Hoplite… Cata 3 if going full DPS is more than a viable DPS class so long as you build yourself correctly… you have more skills and are able to hit more than any other class. While other class do huge dmg less often, you do medium damages more often. I never had an issue without Pelt and I’m 280…

People seem to be followers rather than leaders… if you want to grind then make your own group… and search for people… it’s not that hard. What’s the harder isn’t the class without pelt but more the fact that the higher grinding grounds are overcrowded.

#27

Btw, I see a lot of 280s swordsman with pelt that don’t even have 20K hp… you do realize that nobody will want you for any high end dg or earth tower with no CON? Even if you have swash…and putting into CON means less dmg. So what you’re trying to achieve really isn’t optimal with Pelt.

#28

Thing is theres nothing to trade with peltasta, dude, hoplite its a rank 3 class, what would i change it with? Sword 2? its has no pve utility…

#29

Also, not going full dps, i am going as a tank who can maintain aggro.

#30

I’m only saying Sword 2 because it’ll make your AoE dmg better while Pelt won’t… Anyway as far as pve is concerned forget Impaler, it’s useless. :slight_smile:

#31

Its a cool skill tho, i would lose like 100 damage on earth wave (lvl 15 > 14)

What makes you say that Sword 2 would offer me better AoE damage?
I dont think its better than the taunt utility, it seems a very little improvement

#32

The dmg utility skills will enhance your AoE hits…that’s why I said so. There’s nothing truly wrong with pelt 1 but end game people will want pelt2s or 3s over Pelt 1s…as pelt 1s usually have bad CON

#33

I dont get it, what does the class have to do with the status?
i’ve been told differently, you usually dont want peltasta 2 or 3 for the taunt (which is the main reason i am going for peltasta 1) because it grabs too many mobs, and they are way stronger later in the game, so lvl 5 taunt (11 monsters) is enough

#34

Pelt is the way to go… its Swordsman C1 or C3 there is no C2 viability…

by gaining SwordC2 you get

Higher thrust level= Useless you will prob not even use that skill later on
Higher Bash level= Useless again ( However the push back from attribute is nice, does it worth getting C2 just for this? IMO not really)

Higher Gung Ho and concentrate= Now those skills are very useful however from my experience… Concentrate is up most of the time and im only C1… So getting more hits (rather useless imo) Since performing your skill doesnt seem to lower the hit count. As for Gung Ho its again an improvement

Now we are left with Pain barrier= A must skill for any swordsman. You’ll use that skill to use your combo wombo to do max damage without the chance of getting knocked back… however does your combo last longer than 15second ( at level 1)? I doubt that. And the cooldown from your combo will probably be longer than the cooldown of Pain barrier. so leveling that skill past lvl 2-3 is pointless

However if you get peltasta
you get Swash buckling and guardian= 2 very nice skill that let you be more tankish and let you swap between gung ho and guardian. and… obv a nice taunt
umbo blow and rim blow= both pretty useless however leveling swash buckling past lvl 1 isnt so nice either… so might as well put some point into them to help you level up faster.

BUT! you get that you won’t be constantly harassed about your poor choose and that you didn’t take peltasta. AND swordsman are the class that does the least amount of damage in PvE… so going pure straight DPS isn’t pretty clever since they aren’t made to be made that way to begin with…

Myself, is going pretty much DPS heavy route… but you got to keep in mind that your team depend mostly on you, especially if you are going cat. So that taunt… is IMO a must :slight_smile:

#35

I didn’t say it’s not good, it’s just bad for PvE. You have to pick up your spear after you throw it and when you do the effects are cancelled, it’s impractical to use for PvE, very deadly on PvP tho.

#36

Im just thinking about the AoE damage plus aggro that it gives, since it hits multiple monsters, the 2% damage thing is meaningless, plus the skill is pretty freaking cool looking, what did worry me is that some people said it has a minimum range and you cant aim it, its x spaces in front of you, is that true?

If so, is the other dragoon skills AoE?

#37

Gae Bulg is tricky to use to say the least. What you heard is true, you can’t aim, positioning is everything.

It looks cool, if you really want it, get it xD

#38

@AprilFungus thanks a lot.

Might reroll my char to Swordsman > Peltasta > Hoplite c2 > Cataptrach c3 or Swordsman > Pelt > Hop > Cata c3 > Dragoon.
I’ve been searching videos of a mounted Dragoon but I can’t seem to find one.

#39

no problem, I know the game is rather young so some video are hard to find, I am however close to becoming a dragoon myself from CataC3 so if I reach it soon I’ll let you know to show you how it goes.

#40

The real deciding factor imo for me here is if before Dragoon, does Hop->Cata C3 have enough skill to spam on rotation such that there is no downtime? If yes, then all Dragoon adds are more skills for rotation, which will probably overlap with your previous skill rotations pre-Dragoon, therefore Hop C2 would probably better for rank 7. However if pre-Dragoon you find your skill rotation a bit lacking and there’s a lot of downtime, then Dragoon skills would be able to fix that to keep up the DPS.