To be honest these aren’t really issues anymore.
You’re a screen away so u don’t have to worry about DT and that ice shield, if u have bloodletting you’re immune. Even pain barrier helps to a degree now.
I’d be more worried about R7F
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yes high dex will have less trouble killing archer but it’s damn easier if you can one shot them from afar (ZOOMY ADDON wink)
and you’ll still get frozen.
They cant combo u while u r frozen is what he was saying.
Would take full 3 sec to travel across screen on foot.
you can 1 shot them with dex too, its called physical attack gear and item transcendence.
both str and dex has got functions today in pvp, for a lancer build i wouldn’t worry about going str heavy since you have that amazing block pene buff and block debuff.
maybe you forgot to read the “FROM AFAR” part, hmmm? Obviously I know you can one shot them, but it really is damn easier if you can do it from afar. and for the fact that dragoon can abuse zoomy at that kek.
still not very appealing, with trot i don’t need to be afar because no one can out run me. Rush does the job against CC.[quote=“BlackCat, post:47, topic:327056”]
and for the fact that dragoon can abuse zoomy at that kek.
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don’t see the synergy here. It’s not like your throwing it to the other side of the map.
Personally i wouldn’t risk getting an addon like that, everyone on the forums is crying that its cheating anyway.
lancer’s quintain has a good range anyway.
lancer c1 is great for sure, far better than dragoon c2.
about lancer c2 and 3 im not sure, it’s possible that people will do builds like dragoon c2 lancer c2
or lancer c1 dragoon c3, it depends on how the classes ends up
for now i’d advise any pvp cata with restrain to take lancer at rank 8, he can then go ahead and go dragoon c2 and c3 at ranks 9 and 10 if he want to.
Won’t be any new classes at ranks 9-10 anyway.
Chill man, I’m only saying the its easier to oneshot archer from afar with dethrone, you don’t need a whole essay for that, wth man???
what made you realize that im angry? just arguing dude 
sry im kind of a swordy geek, i’m not sure why are you so surprised lol if you look at other comments thats how people argue.
I am sorry that i hurt your feelings by being informative.
well I usually don’t look much into the forums, mostly Fencer PVE or new ones, but I kinda have to agree that lancer has more potential than dragoon because of that block penetraion (less STR invesment) and magic circle crushing. Though I still like the less effort/no skill spamming of Dragoon 2.
lancer has a lot of synergy with swordsman c3 and high dex, no reason to get str for a lancer because it basically solves your block penetration problem, so high dex with block pene gems on gloves is pretty good,
i got 400 block penetration just from gear and 0 str, with the lancer buff it’d be more than enough.
I really like where this is going… going high dex too
Full dex lancer will be good no doubt. But lancer need that edge i guess.
TBH IMC is all over the place.
Let’s look at the “progression” of block.
In the first place block was king, and there was almost no ways to get past it.
Then they nerfed SPR scaling with stone skin.
And then they added STR scaling to block penetration.
Now lancer with the block penetration buff/block debuff…
All those things combined really dealt a heavy blow to the value of BLOCK.
Still since this is an MMO, game balance will happen progressively, and if it gets to a point where block is too weak, they’ll buff it.
It is true to an extent that block is a shadow of its former glory and its value in a PvP build, must be evaluated again.
However saying things like Peltasta was not a PvP class at the height of its glory, is simply stupid considering originally block was pretty much king vs all physical.
peltasta’s block is not the same as a cleric block.
standing and blocking and not being able to attack at all isn’t very effective.
swash’s 25% hp is pretty good utility for pvp.
Just like evasion to an extent can be countered with accuracy or restrain there needed to be a way to counter block.
the idea that there is 1 stat that is not counterable and destroy all physical is just stupid.
Just like how nothing works vs magic.
dont forget how they added all those anti-dark necklace/rings that make warlock dmg a joke in pvp.
U really dont need any block pen gear while u r using initiate buff, just focus in full dex and hp gear or con/dex hp gear w green gem on gloves. I already tested block pen against a pelt/rod/hop/murmilo semi full con plus buffs, using lionhead shield, pressing C and I through in 87/100 hits. So if u consider that Initiate r lv5 n will go it until lv15 w 100% block debuff It doesnt matter str and spr to block pen u will pass through it.
The Lancer’s biggest problem isnt dmg either, because, in this game, dmg come from weapon w transcendence plus skills attributes n lancer has crush debuff to help him.
Using some really nice accuracy gloves w high level green gems, boss cards and some dex u can land high evasion chars.
Initiate plus oain barriee give to lancer high resistence against status ailments rank 1 and some against rank 2.
Must focus on survive
hi buddy be aware that this was written 2 months ago, before lancer came out.
We already have new threads not sure the purpose of this bump 