2 bursts to insta-kill targets across the screen > all that noise.
TBL is not 1v1 against lancer, being able to nail clerics / wizards is a godsend
Go dragoon 3 dude I assure thats very powerful tree for PVP/PVE. Dont waste a rank 7 class that would bottleneck you in the future. Imagine a long range Dark Theurg (pre rhevisan), thats what dethrone is. Shenaningans are nothing if youre dead.
GL beating warlocks with the dark shield and the ice shield, lancer’s utility is better.
^THIS x 100. As a lancer, you have one(1) skill on CD on one team member while the opposing team will have a multiple skills on CD on multiple players especially if they were going turtle with area denial skills.
Unless they change it, there is no limit to the number of spells/circles destroyed by a single Joust.
Just the idea of annoying the shhit out of those squishy motherfuckers and their ■■■■■■■ magic circles should make any swordsman happy, considering the crappy hand we have been dealt with since beta.
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With new items coming up, 1 shot might not be as common as they are now.
A video that might give additional info about that Goon2 can potentially do:
I’m still on the lookout for more Lancer vids.
I think Goon2 and Lancer are both good options. They just have differences which may or may not be the player’s preference.
PVE aside, here are my current thoughts (PVP-wise, and if you already have Cata3Goon1) as to why we should go with one or the other:
###Go Goon2 if:
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You like to play as the carry or damage dealer. You like reaping kills. You don’t want to rely on others in terms of damage.
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You have Pelt in your build so you can still use a 1H spear + shield for all your skills if the situation demands for a defensive play. Having Hoplite will also boost your block further with Finestra.
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You secretly hate dealing with Archers and other CataGoons on the enemy team.
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Goon costume is just badass. (Though I personally still prefer to use my Cata costume
- also, to mislead the enemy)
###Go Lancer if:
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You’re more of a party player. You want to support your team, and disrupt the enemy team. You like setting up easier kills for your teammates (e.g. using Impale for takeout meals, using KDs to cancel an enemy’s channeling skill, using Rush w/ Ausrine or Revive to remove R7F buff from all members of the enemy team, etc.). You hate watching your teammates die because there was nothing you could do except run away as you might be immediately next (because your skills are either on CD or there’s none that you can use at the moment to counter the situation).
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You’re really not into the existing Goon1 skills that you have. They’re not your “style”. You feel like you’re just forced into using them because there’s not a lot of other skills you can use to fill the downtime of your Cata skills.
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You like initiating fights instead of staying behind the lines and waiting for your teammates to drop some of the enemy team members, or wait out for the enemy team’s buffs to wear off or get removed by your teammates.
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You secretly hate dealing with Wizards and Clerics on the enemy team.
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You think Lancer costume is more badass (I do!
though it’d probably make me look a bit chubby).
There could be other reasons, but that’s just what’s in my head at the moment.
I’m still undecided at this point though so more info and vids are always appreciated.
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Why is that? Going high STR, low DEX?
That’s one.
Also, Fletcher Broadheads, sneaky well-attributed Wugus, high-evasion builds.
No need to close in on them anymore with Goon2.
for dragoon2 to hit archer, they would need high dex though… and if they can hit archer, i doubt they have trouble killing them without dethrone…
so that would be a weird hate.
I openly hate wizard and cleric though.
personally i think low con cata should go dragoon2, while con focused cata should go lancer.
Makes sense. There’d be situations though where you just can’t close in without risking getting CC’ed or killed e.g. if enemy team has good composition that allows them to turtle/zone well.
I’ve died a few times before even reaching this specific archer in TBL, usually when my Rush is on CD (and when staying away, waiting it out is not an option either).
Also, most Archers have low HP.
To be honest these aren’t really issues anymore.
You’re a screen away so u don’t have to worry about DT and that ice shield, if u have bloodletting you’re immune. Even pain barrier helps to a degree now.
I’d be more worried about R7F
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yes high dex will have less trouble killing archer but it’s damn easier if you can one shot them from afar (ZOOMY ADDON wink)
and you’ll still get frozen.
They cant combo u while u r frozen is what he was saying.
Would take full 3 sec to travel across screen on foot.
you can 1 shot them with dex too, its called physical attack gear and item transcendence.
both str and dex has got functions today in pvp, for a lancer build i wouldn’t worry about going str heavy since you have that amazing block pene buff and block debuff.
maybe you forgot to read the “FROM AFAR” part, hmmm? Obviously I know you can one shot them, but it really is damn easier if you can do it from afar. and for the fact that dragoon can abuse zoomy at that kek.
still not very appealing, with trot i don’t need to be afar because no one can out run me. Rush does the job against CC.[quote=“BlackCat, post:47, topic:327056”]
and for the fact that dragoon can abuse zoomy at that kek.
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don’t see the synergy here. It’s not like your throwing it to the other side of the map.
Personally i wouldn’t risk getting an addon like that, everyone on the forums is crying that its cheating anyway.
lancer’s quintain has a good range anyway.
lancer c1 is great for sure, far better than dragoon c2.
about lancer c2 and 3 im not sure, it’s possible that people will do builds like dragoon c2 lancer c2
or lancer c1 dragoon c3, it depends on how the classes ends up
for now i’d advise any pvp cata with restrain to take lancer at rank 8, he can then go ahead and go dragoon c2 and c3 at ranks 9 and 10 if he want to.
Won’t be any new classes at ranks 9-10 anyway.
Chill man, I’m only saying the its easier to oneshot archer from afar with dethrone, you don’t need a whole essay for that, wth man???
what made you realize that im angry? just arguing dude 
sry im kind of a swordy geek, i’m not sure why are you so surprised lol if you look at other comments thats how people argue.
I am sorry that i hurt your feelings by being informative.