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/cardbattle is the worst system in MMO history

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#1

Imagine that every time you went to make a trade, the game decided that you would keep your silver and get the other persons item OR you would lose your silver and the other person would keep their item. Now imagine that this made you lose an item or silver 22 times in a row. That horrible thing you just thought of and would like to kill with fire is the card “battle” system in ToS. This system would be fine if cards were worthless and were just there for a nice break from grinding…but nope! Cards are worthless to about 90% of the classes, but the other 10 absolutely need them. I don’t mean that they just would do better if they had them, I mean THEY CAN’T USE CERTAIN SKILLS WITHOUT THEM. Of course you could just buy them after grinding for hours to get the silver…oh wait, YOU CAN’T. The only way to get the cards you need IS TO GAMBLE. No amount of skill will get you cards, they are locked behind RNG. A single set of dungeon runs MIGHT get you one card, and a number of quests will get you one two. Awesome, after playing for a solid month, a single player might have as many as 30 cards if they’re really lucky…enough to get a card to 7 stars. How can they get more? GAMBLE…that’s it. Not just any gambling either, no, they have to gamble with the very resource they are trying to get more of. Me, being the sorc/necro pet master that I was trying to be, realized that I needed 336 cards to get all my card slots filled and maxed. Since I don’t have YEARS to make this happen, I decided to trade with a friend for their useless cards…this is an MMO after all…and lost EVERY SINGLE CARD I HAD. 21 loses IN A ROW. NOT A SINGLE WIN. Kept playing to get back all the cards that i’d already payed my friend talt for, because what is the probability that I would NEVER WIN. WHAT KIND OF IMPROBABLE CRAP IS THIS! My mineloader for my necro summon? GONE. My templeshooter for my sorc? GONE. Run dungeons, pray to rng to get a single card after spending 720K silver rerolling cubes, pray to rng again to get the cards I need to use my skills back. LOSE AGAIN. 22 loses now, and I’m flat broke. No skills to farm, no silver to reroll cubes. Welcome to hell…yay /cardbattle!

TLDR - /cardbattle is the only way to “trade” cards necessary for certain classes, but its the lovechild of Hilter and Satan and steals your very hopes and dreams. Way to push your customers to use bots and gold sellers IMC!

#2

  1. Cards were not meant to be traded in the first place; thus why they’re ‘untradeable’. Gambling on that card game as an attempt to trade them and losing, is not IMC’s fault. If you want a specific card then you should hunt for it, not play Russian Roulette.

  2. Hopefully anyone who buys from gold sellers is perm-banned.

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#3

I won like 15 cards in a row using the spider thing. Give it a try, it’s OP!

#4

That was the first card I lost :frowning:

#5

Sounds like you dont really have a problem with the card battle, you just want cards to be tradeable.

Since card battle isnt there just so you can trade the cards…

#6

you make a good point. the card system needs rework…but why did you post this is such a ranty way? people are just going to ignore this post.

#7

Actually, I’d still be pretty mad even if cards were only there for fun with the current card battle system. It’s not “fun” to lose, but its a necessary part of any game. Losing 22 times in a row, however, is not random, and it certainly isn’t fun either.

#8

I like to think of it more as adding a little passion and humor to the post, as from a 3rd person perspective I would find this pretty funny. As they say, “It’s all fun and games until you lose an eye.”

@Sixaxis

  1. I’d agree if cards were universally worthless or equally beneficial. As it is, they are worthless to most and absolutely needed by a select few; and those select few need so many of them its silly to say “go hunt” to them. Don’t think for a second that IMC didn’t put this broken system in place with that information in mind.

  2. I agree, although that really sounds like a “punish the victim” mindset in this case.

#9

I guess. but when i see a big wall of text with caps randomly throughout, i usually just ignore it and assume that your “Butt hurt” about something that you didnt work out in your favor. i honestly didnt read your post.

but i read the TLDR. which makes sense about card trading. i have like 9 cards and i don’t think i will ever use them. i would love to sell them on the market.

#10

Pretty sure it’s random, and you’re just unlucky.

If I were to tell you I’m going to pick 10 numbers from 1-10, and they’ll be “random” then told you the numbers were 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1, you’d say it wasn’t random because it’s too sequential, or that there seems to be a pattern.

I’ve never bothered with card battle because I don’t care for the cards, nor do I need to use them because I don’t have a class that uses them, but if they were like actual trading cards rather than a roulette system for gambling, it might be interesting to try and collect them all.

#11

I’ve won seven times in a row before.

You never believed in the heart of the cards. If you’ve lost so many times in a row.

#12

I forgot about the heart of the cards! I’m going to stutter duel next time I try to get my cards back.

@warn_pack

For one, a series of 1’s is the exact opposite of random. It’s possible, i’ll grant you that, but so statistically improbable that it boarders on absurdity. Secondly, there are only three outcomes possible in card battles. If you roll a 3 sided dice 22 times and get a 1 every time, the die is weighted. You’re getting cheated :frowning: