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c2 doppel vs c1 doppel c1 dragoon

Class and Rank Swordsman
#1

hi, my class build is ;

c1 swordsman > c1 HighLander > c3 Barbarian > c1 DoppelSoeldner > ?

i wonder if i go for dragoon instead of c2 Doppel, is it gonna be more DPS effective. I’m at lvl 220 now and cant choose which one to go. My stat builds is based on STR not DEX, i have a little dex, some VIT to survive and rest is STR. I know Barb. skills suits both 2h sword and 2h spear, i have no use of hl or sword skills, doppel DOV and CYCLONE both are ok with spear and sword. C2 Doppel is only offering DOV and CYCLONE level increasing, but Dragoon has 2h spear which means i will not be stucked to 2h swords only and also has a cool outfit, but the most important thing for me is DPS since swordies already out damaged by other DPS chars in the game. i want to consider later game updates also. Any opinions will be highly appreciated. Thanks

#2

With how your build is now (especially with a circle of Highlander) I would just do another circle of Doppel. If you really want Dragoon to shine I think you would need to pick up Hoplite for Spear Lunge pierce damage debuff and Finestra to complement a high STR build.

I think Dragoon is doable if you really want to but I feel like your current build would get more out of sticking with 2h swords and picking up Dopp2 for better Cyclones and the new 2h skills. Especially if the kTOS Barbarian buffs come to iTOS, the slash buff from Cleave would apply to all of the 2h skills from Dopp2.

#3

Thanks Ipsen, i feel the same just can’t say yet :), btw are there any announcement about kTOS updates will come to iTOS ?

#4

Reroll… You don’t have peltasa

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#5

Why reroll ? Why need Peltasta ? i’ve build an offensive char based on DPS not a Defansive tanking char. Can you explain it with more words instead one "reroll … " ?

#6

K well to give you a little more insight, because every class out preforms you in dps across the board except full support characters I.E. Chronomancer 3, your put at the bottom of the list for parties with one exception and that is having swashbuckling since that gains more hate then anything anyone can do. Without that you are a walking dps that has to gap close monsters and provides no monster control. Most people will either A take pel 1 over you, or b take a dps that puts out higher numbers because you have no utility to add to the group that they would bring by just going their normal route.

I have friends that went the same or similar routes as you where they ignored pel 1, and now I spend most of my time listening to them bitch about how they have to forever solo because they don’t have provoke, and groups are instant kicking them. Now one could say well that is late game… But here is the problem with that, this game is slated to have 600 levels so we are a little under half way through it level wise, and if it’s already becoming an issuse at 200 ish, it’s going to be much worse later.

I apologize for the tone, but yeah if you don’t have a circle of peltasa your are next to useless to me and others in a group, however if you plan to never group your build is fine. Honestly you can skirt till the 200s and be fine, which is what a lot of people did. Also for your build dps wise you would be better off going dopple as it synergies better with frenzy than dragoon does.

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#7

Right but i like to play solo most of time. Playing with a group
only when it is neccessary like worldbosses or dungeons, in this case my only consideration is dealing more DPS. Peltasta and reroll is not an option, i am very happy with this build, since it is very good at both pvp and pve. If kTOS updates come, then grouping will also be fine since then it will be dealing huge amount of DPS.

#8

Thanks for you thoughts, i need different angle views like yours.

#9

I don’t think they’ve said anything about that specific change, but I do remember them saying in the past that they’d balance kTOS and iTOS separately…

Which is why I said “if”, as another Barb player it sucks but there’s a good chance we might never see them. :unamused:

#10

hmm I did the same, went for dragoon.
Have the same build as you, except I have peltasta, and I stick to party.

See the things I took to consider was Dragoon has some party help.
and will give you 1h and 2h spear.
work really nice with barbarian…

the problem is highlander. It benefit more from 2Handed swords…
so Doppel will grow stronger…

as for your “I like to play solo”. Dragoon would be better solo choice, becouse spear range, and more ranged skills and ability to use ALL damage sources in your kit will really improve you.

but again highlander…

So I highly suggest you go for Doppel C2. Just to make sure all your choices have synergy.

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#12

fitzfeliz, could you give an example usage of dps swordman skills. for PVP and PVE if possible ?

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#14

Swordsman having 3x HP than other classes is only true with 0 CON. CON gives 85 HP to all classes, so with high CON the difference will become smaller.

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#16

swordsman only get 37 more HP than wizard per level based on the HP formula (17 x (Level - 1) x class modifier) where wizard modifier is 1.1 and swordsman 3.3

not to mention wizards and archers have better damage scaling especially meteor and snipe with 400% + xxxx so even if they go full CON they won’t lose much damage compared to swordsman

#17

I did some calculation previously on whether to take Doppel or Dragoon. My calculation shows that taking Doppel C2 makes more sense if you took Doppel 1 and you want to use 2 handed sword. Why? Deed of Valor gives another 50% increase of damage. Cyclone level 10 - nuff said. Zucken and Redel is both multi hit skill with good damage which comparable to Dragoon’s Dragoontooth and Serpentine.

So taking Dragoon only gives you extra 1 skill Gae Bulg but you lost 5 more levels of DoV and Cyclone. Getting Dragoon at rank 7 makes more sense for those class path that didn’t take Doppel or the build does not consist of 2 handed sword. Example Hoplite 3 > Doppel > Dragoon…cause it does not make sense to take Doppel 2 if you want to use spear since Finestra does not work without spear. Unless you want to swap weapon around.

#19

So everybody is telling me to choose C2 doppel instead of dragoon. We don’t know exactly about the future updates, we don’t even know if the updates will be the same as kTOS. it seems we wont be able to build the chars. according the updates, since there is no any official announcement about it.

Thanks everybody for the calculations and skill combos. i feel enlightened and today will become C2 Doppel.

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#21

archers still have many 0 CD skills, attack from range, also auto attack with running + kneeling shoot

wizards have many large aoe, reliable CC, attack from range, and they only invest in one stat for damage

swordsman skills are mostly melee range, dodging from boss attack means no dps, also need setup (skills combo) to deal more damage, need a more spread stats distribution

lvl 500 contents will most likely force all classes to have high CON because of higher monster damage
full CON swordsman will only have around 25%-30% more HP than full CON wizard

swordsmans are meant to tank, their damage is to hold aggro
they shouldn’t be in dps slot like archer/wizard