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c2 doppel vs c1 doppel c1 dragoon

Class and Rank Swordsman
#22

Mert, the game will get very hard in later levels so you gotta look into updating your gear around 220. If you cheap out you won’t survive. You can’t put all your stats in Dex. Don’t do it unless you are fencer/shinobi. You need Con, by 240 you have to have 50-70 Con and by 270 you gotta have 100 Con. This is so you don’t rest all the time. Monsters will eat you fast.

Be sure to increase your magic defense as well with gear.

This is how solo works now. We’re a terrible DPS class by design. IMC has yet to fix this.

#23

Your post is misleading, Nuzu.

Here is a question for you: Why is there so many DPS Classes for Swordsman? Take Doppel, for example. That class is one word: DAMAGE. That’s what it is supposed to do. Right? Did you look at the class? Can you explain to me what Deeds does? What is the purpose of Deeds? Isn’t that for DPS? Please don’t tell me it is for tanking. /Sarcasm ends

In reality, Nuzu, Swordsman is broken. Take a look at Archers/Wizards skills. They’re based on percentage. Swordsman is flat damage. We’re broken and we’re going to be extremely useless beyond level 280 if they don’t fix Swordsman.

#24

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#25

what I meant is those offensive swordsman classes are made to add more damage to swordsman so tank is not only able to withstand damage but also deal damage as well

it’s either defensive/support tank or offensive tank, not pure dps

#26

Take a look at our skills across the board. Swordsman has flat damage and our buffs aren’t as great either. There’s a lot of drawback.

Swordsman design is very flawed.

Swordsman can be Support, Defensive or Offensive Tank. But that is NOT only our role. We can do more than just that. Doppel, FOR EXAMPLE, is a two handed sword. Why is there a two handed sword class there? Just to go solo and then switch to tanking while in a group? That’s just your opinion. No offense to you.

This would be a really bad game if Swordsman was really designed JUST for tanking. And Swordsman Offensive Tank? Really? What DPS are they going to bring if they can’t even compete with - say Doppel’s DPS.

Edit - My reply is also to Nuzu.

#27

Swordsman without tanking is just the same as Cleric without heal, no utility in party.
Every classes can DPS but only archer and wizard can excel. Swordsman is the only class that can tank and keep aggro. Cleric is the only class that can heal.
People are free to build as they like but should be prepare for rejection if they build a class outside of its main role.

#28

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#29

They are flat damage. Where are you getting that bogus information from dude?

I’m Lv. 258 Doppel and everything is FLAT damage. There is no percentage. I just went to Archer - again - and checked some of their skills. I’m enjoying the percentage that you guys have PLUS flat damage.

Also, Cyclone is great but it needs Deeds to do higher damage (Lv. 10) You can do it twice at the expense of very costly SP and it has 55 seconds on CD. Do your math.

Go here and point it out. Show me your sources, because those are inaccurate … Or perhaps you’re just being a troll. If you are, I will report you.

#30

He’s using multi-hits, each hit uses your physical attack which means if your skill hits three times, then three instances of your physical attack (+ skill damage) are applied to the enemy.

That and some of those skills have bonus modifiers (Cleaves bonus against Stunned enemies, increases its damage multiplier).

Multi-hits is the main value of Frost Cloud for instance, or Sadhu’s Possession as another example.
Possession hits a single enemy 30 times. So the Sadhu’s magic attack and skill damage gets applied 30 times, which can be also described as 30x scaling.

#31

I’m looking at Fetcher right now. Crossfire … Just go look at that skill. No cooldown, 150% Increased Explosive Damage on top of a 2.2K for 15 points in it. We have … Cross Slash? Has CD (long CD) and the AoE is very small in comparison.

Barbarians in Korean ToS got some serious buffs. But those buffs don’t support them because in order to do damage, you need to Cleave which ONLY gives 50% increased damage from Slash attacks. Notice, Slash attacks. You must hit your enemy with that, too. What’s the point of a skill like that? This is the BEST thing we get. You MUST go Barbarian in order to get better DPS. And I’m not sure if you need just one point or maximum points for the 50% increased damage to Slash … which only lasts for several seconds - forgot to mention that point.

I absolutely 100% agree with you on how Clerics are healers. What’s the point of them if they cannot heal, right? But get this - they get Heal in their FIRST class. We get PROVOKE in our first class which is not enough to grab aggro … You NEED to be a Pelta to SB. A waste of class if you don’t want to tank at all. Swordsman class, the first rank that is, is the worst class in the entire game by skill comparison. Check them out and put them against all other starting classes. Just hit the link and start comparing. Gung Ho and Concentrate are amazing in the beginning … but then they’re not as amazing. They fall flat below average andt then you’ll see that Gung Ho barely adds any serious damage late in the game.

Another skill from Fetcher. Divine Machine Arrow, take a look at that percentage plus that flat damage. We DO NOT have any percentage in our attacks. If you’re going to do any math on Swordsman, do it probably. That flat damage you see is completely flat. It doe NOT scale at all. It’s flat.

Go build a Swordsman, go see for yourself in-game.

#32

Swordsman need to do setup and combo to do that while archer and wiz do it with one skill and long range.
Bleeding and stun combo are not effective on boss because most of them resist CC.
Melee range is disadvantage because of AoE damage and CC especially knockdown which can interrupt channeling skills when Pain Barrier is on CD. Too much running/dodging boss skills resulting loss of DPS.

As far as I know clerics also need C2 or Priest to heal properly. Lvl 5 Heal seems not enough for me, so I think it’s fair that Peltasta is needed to tank. SB even gives +25% HP which is nice.

#33

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#34

As an archer I can say this… If you don’t have swashbuckling I instantly kick you from my party, your only purpose is to Swashbuckling, all of your damage can be done better by another class… Hell I don’t really want you in my group to begin with. Your class has two sources of actual percent damage, and watching the damage your flat damage skills do after def reduction of mobs is kinda laughable.

#pel1orkick

And I have done the math… That’s why I’m an archer and not a swordsman.

I understand pride in your character and everything else but you have to be real here, nothing you have scales cept thurst

#35

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#36

K well insulting me doesn’t exactly prove your point sir, as that was unnecessary, I have friends as well, I also have a girlfriend a job and cookies… -eats a cookie- mmmm that’s some good resses peanutbutter fudge chocolate chip

But here’s the thing you can’t take a flat damage skill and call that a percentage, yes it does multi hit and that does get you by for a while but flat damage only last for so long. The class itself needs percentage buffs for damage like the rest of the game gets.

And the reason why everyone is harping on this is because your 6x attack (not your 600% damage attack), has to do a def check for every single hit.

#37

Thrust from Swordsman?
How does it scale?

#38

It has a 150% dmg modifier

#39

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#40

For example:

A swordsman skill that hits 5 times will do: base damage + [5x(atk+A)] , A being the amount of atk that will be added.

Now fletcher for example hits with: base damage + atk + A + [(atk + A) x %] , lets assume %=1.5 we have: base damage + [2.5x(ATK + A)]

Both are linear curves, maybe I missed something…don’t know

#41

What crawled up your butt and died sir lol… You really need to check out the math on things more, you have just devolved into a hate spewing little brat at this point, and now your even arguing things that aren’t even true -laughs- Have fun in your fantasy land sir. Also I never said things that were multihit from other classes didn’t have to check against def but moot points seem to be things you want to harp on. I now have no life, I’m stupid, I’m a meme elitist and I have a problem with your play style… None of these things I said, but I guess lashing out on me will make you feel better so have at it, I’m going to unfollow this topic now and get back to watching this movie I was watching. I hope you find out what made you so mad <3