💡[Option] To be able to hide your Gear from the public ☑

[itzNiko]

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[Lycoris_Virens]

I will repeat my premise that hiding gearsets/skill tree will only prove to be detrimental to the game. It will bring imbalance.

You are trying to use deductive reasoning with something that is neither general nor true.

Incomplete inductive reasoning (your examples) cannot act as a proof for anything unless they account for all cases.
Your arguments thus far have been incomplete inductive reasoning, and do not account for all cases.
Hence your arguments cannot act as a proof for anything.

[itzNiko]

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[narulight]

someone is working 30-40 hours a week, and on their few days off he/she decides to spend their time playing Tree of Savior, because well, they love gaming. Do you honestly think it is practical for them, let’s say in 3 months time, to be able to fully understand the game, yet alone compete? So, we can see that the person who can afford to spend 60+ hours a week playing ToS is at an insane advantage to begin with, where we want to be able to preserve his knowledge and advantage because of his “dedication.”

you’re comparing between casual player vs hardcore player, and you demand balance?? for real dude
they who play TOS 60+ hour /week (hardcore player) ofc have too many advantage than who work for they real life 40-50 hour /week (casual player)…
if casual player want more information about the game (b’coz hide option of build/gear), make friend with the hardcore one, joint guild, asking help, etc…

[Lycoris_Virens]

“While the conclusion of a deductive argument is certain, the truth of the conclusion of an inductive argument is probable, based upon the evidence given.”

Edit:

Inductive reasoning

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I am arguing that your evidence is insufficient to prove truths via deduction, I never mentioned prediction. (Don’t strawman me bro!)

[itzNiko]

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[itzNiko]

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[narulight]

So you acknowledge that fact, yet, you disagree we try to fix that issue?

its just logical that who play more time have advantage, and its up to him/her wether they want to share or not for the information regarding ht OPness build/gear…nothing wrong with it
im work for pretty big company, and sure we have competitive advantage than our competitor, do we want to share our key success factor of our company? ofc not but we do share the general concept of our business process…is it something flaw on business environment? you tell me…

[Lycoris_Virens]

You have every “right” to your opinion (in most societies at least) just I have the “right” to criticize them.

Your evidence is not exhaustive in inductive reasoning hence it is insufficient to act as a proof, it can only act as a prediction by your own definition.

Edit: Criticism is a healthy part of any dialogue.

[itzNiko]

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[Lycoris_Virens]

I would argue for increased confidentiality options.

Privacy is inherently valuable, and is a crucial factor in both building identity and individuality.

Discipline & Punish - Panopticism

[Anadriel]

Did you know that most of the laboratories, private or public doesn’t share the results of their research? It led many of them to spend a fortune and years, often to reproduce the same protocols that in many cases are unsuccessful and already tested by other laboratories. If they had shared information or had put available the fruits of their labor, science would evolve much faster and probably disease were more easily treated or new discoveries more quickly made. Unfortunately most of these laboratories seek the monopoly, profit and a Nobel Prize.

I give here a small example of what happens when information is kept private and will not circulate. Moreover, often those who don’t want to share information are those who already hold it… And probably in video games it’s the hardcore gamers. This behavior is slightly selfish but it seems natural to humans.

[itzNiko]

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[TheMightyBayag716]

Thats life what do you guys expect humans are selfish greedy etc. this is not some kind of shounen manga its life…i want my skill build to be private yeah i know sound selfish but it’s what i want i’m the creator of my build i want some privacy…if i want to share my build to somebody then fine they can ask me and be good friends… at least this way they will not look like some creepy stalker checking anyone skills…if they want to know they should ask first right ???
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[Anteiser]

As one of survivors from ICBT2, I want the most transparency option. Because if you are able to hide your item and class, who on earth will know that you are wielding 6 swords or you have reached the 9999th rank to obtain centurion class.
History cannot be forgotten.

[narulight]

abuse their power and cheat other people in order to make massive profit margins

i quote this one…
in business, there is some term called “business ethics”…
if some cases, there are peoples that abuse/cheat/scam other people to make own profit, the regulator can make an offensive move…thats why human make law, AND create law enforcement…
IF some ToS player do this, ofc GM can make the same move as regulator…if by any case the player make an private of their build/gear BUT not violated any rule of the game, so be it, even if he/she owned the PVP room…is the duty for other people to make a research how to counter that person

as @Anteiser say bout some player that violated the rule (abusing bug/cheat), thats the responsibilty for developer to develop a good game guard or something (im not expert about programming things)…and player insist GM more active on game so they can monitoring extensively…we, player, can help GM with reporting if we suspect abuser…
so IMHO, option to hide build/gear is not an big issues to balancing the game…

[iago_l]

Remember when ppl were actually clear about their opinions? Yeah… Good times.
idk why you’d want everyone to do what you want because “its better for everyone, trust me” instead of giving them their choice to do so. And btw, is it still about showing/hiding your equips/class build? Have we agreed that having it hidden doesnt get you any advantages whatsoever? Or are you that paranoid that you think every1 will be copying you because you’re so “special”? At this point, ppl are comparing the share of knoweldge of mmorpgs to big IRL companies(wtf?!).
Why wouldn’t you want to share your knoweldge to others about a game? Every single one of us have beneffited from it, from ppl that shared their knoweldge and took their time help others. Its great for any community to have alot of ppl giving their opinions/guides/builds why wouldnt you want it?

[nizidr]

Why wouldn’t you want to share your knoweldge to others about a game? Every single one of us have beneffited from it, from ppl that shared their knoweldge and took their time help others. Its great for any community to have alot of ppl giving their opinions/guides/builds why wouldnt you want it?

Playing by guides is considered a negative thing in gaming community. Because it greatly changes the way you experience the game: instead of adventure, research and exploration it becomes a walk-through checklist that leaves no place for innovation/progress. Somebody defined best way to play the game and everyone else follow that. Going out of “meta” is frowned upon. Where is Fun in that?