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Buffs @ party play, which to use

Class and Rank Cleric
#1

Hello there fellow ToS gammers :grin:

I’m a new player here, and just reached 210 last night
I’ve tried a couple characters and builds, but decided to main as support/tank.

My current build is Cleric1 > Priest3 > Paladin1 > Chaplain, and i play to get to Paladin3.

So, to my surprise, i’ve just learned that there’s buff limits :scream:, and that they’re different for each class (7 for cleric/sword, 5 for wiz/archer). I can imagine i’ve pissed a lot of ppl off, becouse of that, since i tried realy hard in every dung to keep all my buffs active at all times! :rofl::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Now i know better, i’ve been thinking of which buffs are worth and which aren’t, in different situations.

Like, for boss fights, i think: bless + sacra + rites + revive + res ele
While for trash mobs: bless + sacra + rites + revive

Do you guys think thats a good plan? It won’t leave any room for wiz/archer to self buff (do they even have anything better?)

Stone Skin, Aspersion and Monstrance will be left out (wasted 5 points in Stone Skin :unamused:. glad i only put 1 in Aspersion/Monstrance each )

About Restoration, it show on the buff list bellow, so i’m guessing it doesn’t occupy a buff slot?

I definitely won’t be using Deploy Cappela anymore! :innocent:

#2

Possible buffs:

Aspersion: NEVER use this, waste of slots, if someone wants to have it, they should’ve bought it from a pardoner.

Monstrance: Very situational, usable when you have auto attackers around and you don’t have to compete against other mass buffers, such as Thaumas and Chronos.

Blessing: Always up, people carry blessing all the time and yours will only affect others if theirs have ran out of hit limit.

Sacrament: Buy a lv10~11 from a Pardoner, use it only if someone asks you to.

Revive: Only use this if you are certain that someone is about to die and you can’t heal them. Alongside Last Rites, you gain extra block penetration if you have the attribute.

Stone Skin: Only use this if you are using cafrisun or any garbage gear.

Restoration: 2nd bar buff, no reason not to keep it up all the time.

Resist Elements: Best used offensively with the attribute than defensively, use it to make mobs/bosses weaker to elements.

Last Rites: Keep it always up, people that don’t want this can just take the buff out themselves.

Aspergillum: Self buff only, keep it always up.

TLDR:

Always use:

Blessing, Aspergillum, Last Rites, Restoration

Situational:

Monstrance - Attack speed/Critical heavy party.

Sacrament - Only if asked, get yourself a pardoner version.

Revive - People low on HP and you can’t heal / Alongside Last Rites vs mobs with high block

Stone Skin - You/Members are taking too much damage.

Resist Elements - physical or/and magic elemental heavy party / attack speed-heavy party

Never use:

Aspersion.

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#3

get krivis c1

enjoy priest buff

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#4

@Anarth:

Interesting. So its some core buffs + situational ones.
Feels bad leaving Sacrament off, since i’ve invested 10 points in it :cry:
Guess i should’ve invested in Aspersion instead of Sacrament after all
Hope it does’nt take too long before the next reset event.

@Planeptune:

But to get Krivis C1, i’ll lose Paladin C3, which would give me Barrier and Conviction, Plus +5 lvls in Res Ele and Restoration. Does’nt seem like a good trade to me.

#5

Buy and keep on yourself some Daino Scrolls to buff party for extra slots and never have problem with buff limits again.

Or you can offload that problem to those who have problems with you doing support work - tell THEM to use daino scrolls if they want to keep their buffs.

#6

@nizidr:

Simple, Effective, the party gets all the buffs. It’s perfect :grin:
With that i can keep everything up, even the less useful ones, like Aspersion

Update: No1 sells Daino lv15. only lvl1 for 1000silver. I’ll need several of those per dung, and it only raises the limit by 2. :sob:

#7

Your Last Rites will still benefit from the overleveled Sacrament.

#8

It takes 1 day to make a pardoner but itll still cost like 4k? To make level 5 daino scrolls. My Pardoner
Provides me with daino, and zalcai scrolls.

#9

You don’t need Daino 15.
Most of the time Daino 5-6 are more than enough. It only gets bad if there are other buffers in the party (Chronos, Thaum…).
Also the buffs limit is 7/5 at first. After rank 5 every class can buy a +1 Buff slot attribute. And Tokens give +1 as well. So it’s 9/7 buffs total.

Just so you know, to craft a Cleric-tree scroll it’s one parchment (200s each) + 500s per skill level. So for example, Daino 5 costs 3500 silver for a Pardoner to craft. Daino 6 is 4200 silver. So you might be able to find level 5 Daino scrolls for 3500-4000 and Level 6 for 4500-5000 (since you have to add the two market fees and the little profit).
Regularly check the market and buy some, you really don’t need Krivis 1 if you’re careful about your buffs. You’ll probably only need Daino for more difficult content since you’ll have more buffers in the party and need all the good buffs.
But your class essentially brings only two buffs: Blessing and Last Rites. Both really useful for the party, so don’t worry.

#10

having krivis in chaplain build make life easier

u can keep rebuff/spam daino whenever u want

miss buff on someone, party not stick together, no problem

krivis daino have 5min duration while scroll is only 3min

yeah, u won’t have paladin3 with krivis and chaplain

btw not having daino (either scroll or krivis) gimp priest potential

#11

Why never use Aspersion? I mean, you say it in terms of buying from Pardoner or leveling it as a Priest?

#12

Thanks for all the suggestions. I’m thinking about droping this poor fella and start again, this time i’ll go
Cleric 1 -> Krivis 1 -> Priest 3 -> Chaplain -> Pardoner C2

Since i’m not getting barrier/conviction, i think paladin just isnt worth it.
Better to go with Krivis+Pardoner, that way i can keep all buffs active and help low lvl friends with scrolls and buffs from shop while not stealing their exp.

Since Deploy Capella is pure trash, any1 knows if Exorcise/Magnus Exorcismus are of any use?

Also, regarding Pardoner i’m thinking of somthing like:
Pardoner C1: Increase Magic Defense 5, Indulgentia 1, Discerning Evil 4, Simony 5
Pardoner C2: Spell Shop 5, Simony 10, Increase Magic Defense 10

Is IMD worth it? Does it scale with SPR?

#13

Whoever wants the buff should buy it from a Pardoner shop. Casting the skill will consume a buff slot and there are better buffs that could take the slot. If your party has buff slots to spare you should use something else, like Stone Skin or Revive.

#14

So, should i level indulgentia instead of IMD?

#15

I know nothing of Pardoners but I heard that Indulgentia is pretty bad.

IMD formula:

30 + (([Skill Level] - 1) × 3) + (([Skill Level] / 5) × (([Character SPR] × 0.8) ^ 0.7))

At lv10:

57 + (2 × ([SPR] × 0.8) ^ 0.7).

Source: https://tos.neet.tv/skills/40808

#16

They’re both bad.
IMD’s buff got nerfed hard. You barely get a MDEF increase. But if you have Krivis and Daino anyway, go for it over Indulgentia. Indulgentia 1 point just so you can cure allies (It’s a really easy-to-use party cure).

#17

Get lv10 Discerning Evil if you can make room for it, or put as many points as you can into it. Extending debuffs is really powerful with classes like Wugushi that get their main damage from them, or for classes with debuffs to enemy defence and damage. It’ll also extend things like swell/shrink body and stun. Very handy support skill, even after the rebalance that changed it from a flat increase to a percentage.

More levels in Indulgentia allow you to hit more targets, so imo its worth dumping extra points into. It’s good to have if you need to cure your whole party at once, like if you’re up against one of the world bosses with crazy powerful debuffs. It’s also pretty good for drawing monsters to you while grinding since it has a fairly wide AoE. The damage on it sucks for sure, tho, don’t even bother using it for that. Even with the oblation attribute and an overflowing box it does barely acceptable numbers, not really meant to be a damage skill at all.

#18

if thats the case then i should level
Pardoner C1: Discerning Evil 5, Indulgentia 5 (enougth for 5 players dispel), Simony 5
Pardoner C2: Spell Shop 5, Discerning Evil 10 (75% increase duration), Simony 10

I could also throw 10pts in IMD instead of Simony, as i doubt i’ll be crafting scrolls to sell. A shitty mdef buff is better than no mdef buff :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Can i open spell shop in midst of an dungeon for players to refresh their buffs?

That way i only need to refresh blessing when they run out of atk charges, instead of every minute.due to regular blessing’s low duration. :grin:

EDIT: another thought:
Cleric 1 > Priest 3 > Chaplain > Cleric 2 > Dievdirbys C1
That would give me:
+10 heal tiles (from 2x5 to 2x10)
+1skill lvl buff (5 charges every 27sec)
+50 blocks on safetyzone (from 10 to 60)
free warp every 1,5min
sp recovery -5sec (20 -> 15)
reduced skill mana costs (-24sp)
reduced skill cooldown (-20%)

Dievdirbys doesn’t scale with SPR, but it seems a good amount of useful stuff for only 1 rank. :slightly_smiling_face:

#19

I can see Diev as a niche R7 filler, now get Inquisitor and you are good to go :wink:

#20

@Anarth

why would i go Inquisitor, being that i plan on going full SPR?
My current build hits so low with Paladin’s Smite i’ve even removed it from my skill bar