well to answer your question we can see that LoL works just fine so i believe you want to upgrade that comment into “MMORPG” only.
Yeah but the LoL community is garbage. Can’t argue with that.
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You do know you can buy champs in LoL that’s equal to buying a EXP scroll on ToS so my point still applys.
yeap, can’t argue with that.
@kaligoth5000 you have got to be kidding me if you’re trying to say that buying champion is pay2win. if you do meant that, i see no reason to try and argue with you since you don’t understand the meaning of p2w itself.
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well on a technical standpoint in the logic of these people who shout off “p2w” this is to them p2w because there obtaining something at a faster rate then them unlocking say a champion with real money that costs 6000 in game points that would normally take a good 30+ matches where this champion could be insanely deadly.
It goes both ways avc_largebanna what you are doing right now is called double standard cherry picking…
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god lord. i guess i was right about you not understanding p2w. well there are many people in the forum i’m sure some would give you the answer you want, definitely not me though.
That is not pay2win.
Paying for a Champ is equal to paying for a Class Slot to expand how many Characters* you can create in ToS.
For LoL to be P2W, shop would have things like high stat Runes that you can only buy with RP or you can only access masteries if you pay for it monthly.
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Mind to iterate on why 1:1 trading something like the token is “the stupidest thing” ever seen in MMOs? I am curious.
Because it feels like such a basic feature… At least that’s my take on this limitation.
you missed one big part there buddy. which is “i’ve” alright, case closed.
That doesn’t answer my question. I am interested in your opinion of why this is a bad feature. Since you gave no reasons. I’m not sure if you thought im being sarcastic. I simply haven’t thought about it myself and stumbled upon these opinions on the forum - I won’t be finding out much however if people don’t explain their ideas.
because you should be able to trade with everyone you want whatever item you want if both parties agrees to it? i mean, how can you not understand that?
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I just realized that i simply misread your “no 1:1 trading[…]” for something like “no, 1:1 trading is stupid” hence my confusion. I must apologize.
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oh my god that ends up being funny lol.
alright no problem man, please don’t apologize for such trivial matters 
Nah it’s just pay to enjoy the game without spending excessive amount of time on it. Cant really argue that the IP gain rate is quite horrible, and without paying RP you are left at the mercy of the free rotation for the longest time, and wont be able to afford runes for more then one setup.
Its not P2W tho, no. Only a handful of skins give advantages, and just as many give disadvantages. (less visible/better visible hitboxes)
I like the reset idea. Maybe just 1 skill + 1 stats reset each month so people can still buy additional resets from the cash shop if they need to.
I don’t care about the trading privilege though. I think the limitations can somewhat stop the bots.
The hat thing has to go.
Time for some oil.
It is pay to win. But the LoL fanbase will never accept this fact. If you play a game in which draft matters or composition matters having more options is always an advantage.
Imagine you play chess and the one guy has the full board whereas the other one could only pay for a king and a tower yet, rest are peasants.
If you want to mention some true and real F2P then talk about Dota. No restrictions on anything.
Actually you usually use 10-15 characters you mastered.
Playing character you have no experience with will bring more harm then good even if it fits composition better.
By the time you are ready to play ranked you will have all tge characters you need. And in normals your pick doesn’t matter.
I’ve reached D4 without paying a single dollar. And I stopped here only because I became bored not because I had not enough money for characters.
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Derael this is what people are complaining about the cash shop in TOS let me make a comparison from LoL to ToS
Getting to max level paying real money for boosts last I checked in LoL you can pay for a boost in games to increase your exp per match to get to max level quicker this is the same with ToS paying for a 30% scroll to get to max level quicker.
Paying for bonus income per game in LoL this is the same as the token in ToS reducing market cost from 30% to 10%.
Paying for cosmetics this is the same as buying skins in LoL to ToS buying hair and costumes.
Play style items from the cash shop the addid page’s in LoL is similar to reset scroll yet one is more permanent then the other but they allow you to change your playstyle.
See there almost the same yet people gladly dismiss one as okey aka LoL but complain that the other is P2W… you cant have it both ways it has to be there both P2W or there not none of this double standard rubbish…
Accepting double standards as acceptable makes the hole discussion pointless.
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You forgot extra stats in cash shop. LoL has nothing like this.
And you can buy everything of these but skins for the fixed IP price in lol. If they make every item in cash shop but cosmetic purchasable with silver from ingame shop then there will be no problem at all.