after looking through the forums, ive noticed that everyone says how good barrier scrolls are, and that barrrier is a really great skill ,and that every team who beats et uses barrier scrolls, and how useful barrier is in ET.
if there were no scrolls, then paladin would actually be wanted in parties, imc, get rid of barrier scrolls, i mean come on, its a c3 skill.
and then you will have a bunch of players cry because their pld3>pard will be a waste. pretty much making barrier scrolls available for simony was a big mistake.
There’s always the alternative of not making barrier scrolls usable in ET.
That’s an endgame content atm, in which you can’t use already Soul Crystal and that’s almost the only reason ppl want a Priest in their party.
Not being able to use barrier scrolls would help to make another class desirable and change game style as everybody does abuse from a C3 skill that you get at rank 6 and basically defines the character usefulness in a party. Ppl would have to define new strategies to go up ET if not with a Paladin.
Barrier scrolls in Silute can be found already for 900 silver. That is not like losing your biggest income, really.
Aaaand ppl usually complain about changes in any class already.
There’s always the alternative of not making the scroll exactly the same as the original skill.
Example:
Barrier Skill: Duration is 50 sec + 2 * (skill lvl - 1)
Barrier Scroll: Duration is 10 sec + 2 * (skill lv - 1)
Paladin Pardoners are still useful to make scrolls and Paladin characters in ET become useful as well (scrolls would still have 40 sec cooldown, requiring proper party coordination with the 10 to 20 seconds scrolls, making the whole thing more difficult and expensive without a Paladin). It also fixes the problem of lvl 1 barrier scroll being cheaper and as useful as lvl 5 barrier scroll.
Every simony skill should be balanced out like this.
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At least now a party Priest blessing is much more worth it rather than the bought one (which helps leveling a lot actually).
Now think about it, who put those barrier scrolls into the market if not the paladins themselves?
I always think that the scroll won’t have the same attribute as the skill. So maybe just add a good attribute to it.
So you’re saying all Paladins should unite and never sell Barrier scrolls again?
That’s never going to work.
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All Paladin-Pardoners that usually stop when they get their Barrier scrolls just to sell them and don’t mind doing dung and whatsoever.
As some Squires and Alchs are just leveled for money making, there are still ppl that use Squire in their tank build and there might be others to use more Alchs now that there’s homunculus for things outside money making only. There are ppl who likes Paladin skills and wish to use it as not a money maker. However in this situation Paladin which has a nice defensive buff gets it the worst as its most valuable skill is sold easily and usable by anyone, making it less than desirable in parties.
Or you can create a party that revolves around the Paladin. I’m not sure how it works, but that’s the kind of responses I usually get whenever I complain about ET.
I believe inquisitor works nicely with paladin 3. So there you go.
Except I didn’t suggest completely removing barrier scrolls so that Paladins are a must in ET. Please read again my post.
You create a party that revolves around paladin, that doesn’t mean paladin is a must. It just means you are not going to use a meta party for ET
And what would this lead to? Cleric2 Diev3 Pala3 being the only acceptable cleric for ET?
The whole Pardoner system itself is broken, with Barrier scrolls just being the tip of the iceberg. Lets not forget Daino scrolls. Oh, the team members that tell my full support PD that was a Priest3 not to cast Aspersion and Sacrament cause they got them already… Or the ones complaining about buff usage kicking their pardoner buffs.
I guess it is the IMC logic that invents classes that are either useless in endgame content themselves or make other classes useless. Other prime example is the mentioned Squire. Their food buffs are nice, but due to their long duration, you eat them before the run and do the content without the Squire. Same with Pardoner, you need their shop buffs and scrolls, but dont want them around in the actual run. And they make Paladin useless.
Making the scrolls unuseable in ET/similiars would defeat their purpose to begin with. Every non-endgame content is so easy you can easily clear them without scrolls.
Well that I can’t comment. Like I said, people usually tell me to adapt the party whenever ET topic come up.
But on paladin issue, you can always go cleric krivis 3 paladin x, since krivis is highly needed for melstis. Sure that won’t be a convenient build, but it works.
One way to fix this is to grant attributes to classes or skills that are affected by scrolls or shop buffs. Like a barrier attribute that gives additional patk/matk to all members within barrier etc. These attributes aren’t scrollable.
Another way it to make each and every C3 circle give a party benefit. This gives incentives for players to get to C3 of the class they desire and also promote party play.
Example: Paladin C3 gets an aura which regens hp to all party members every 10 secs on-top of the normal hp regen. Squire C3 gets a party buff which increases physical attack/magic attack/def based on level of weapon/armor enhancing. Rogue C3 gives +20% crit buff to all party members, Sapper 3 gives bonus damage dealt to all ground monsters damaged by traps to all party members etc.
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Yeah, paladin buff craftable are a major iussue, imo.
Krivis 1 has a filler went less appealing as well for spirit users after the zaicai nerf.
Paladin for ET is kinda dead since you can scroll everything you need (barrier AND restoration lvl 1 for carpet on INT user, never leave those at home ç_ç)
PLUS pardoner 1 is a completely dead class for a build.
I’m still levelling my paladin 3 // pardoner 1 has a normal toon but I’m a bit masochistic, I should have burned all the scroll at level 180 and then forgot that char after 5 skills point for simony at rank 7
Even worst that on ONE character you can have ALL the decent scroll from priest tree at rank 8:
Cleric 2 krivis 1 paladin 3 pardoner 1 oracle 1:
-Daino
-Restoration
-Barrier
-Arcane Energy
-Forecast
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Pardoner 1 is viable for many builds due to Discerninv Evil mate
And yet heavy sub optimal on paladin, and honestly not worth it even in the build around PD2 builds…