so make a rank 4 class complete garbage because theres a stong rank 8 class, that makes no sense. monk isnt garbage, and they can be inquisitor too.
guys dont listen to him, he just wants paladin to suffer like the swordsman class (that isnt even suffering anymore)
Inquisitorâs Breaking Wheel does not even need Paladinâs Smite + Conviction to be good. The vids that Iâve seen God Smash splashes most of the high dmg and Conviction debuff is not spread (from some vid tests debuffs are not spread through breaking wheel), so the Conviction + Smite interection does not happen using it. Monk can continuously deliver more damage to the Wheel than Paladin. Thereâs even Diev Inquisitors as the dmg splashing can be done with owls. So many classes benefits from this rank 8 however Paladin does not benefit the most yet, so well, it wonât give him new space in parties and other content, just make your Paladin easier to mob and kill while leveling.
But it is nice to have a safe environment to mob the map and cast the wheel inside a safe Barrier, thatâs one good side from Paladin. Well with barrier scrolls anyone can do that really and not for a high cost.
So because monk can be inquisitor, paladin canât?
So? The point is paladin can go inquisitor, not that paladin is the only path to inquisitor.
You guys are talking like when you go paladin you have no choices at later rank
Actually we are talking about different stuff 
Inquisitor DOES help Paladinâs dps, for sure. Paladin as offensive is quite lacking tbh.
What we mean is that Paladinâs support role, which barrier brings more to the table in a party, is turned down cause we have scroll for it. For example, Dievs are wanted in parties not only for Owls cannon, but for their statues support. If some statues were scrollable they could be left out.
I agree that people do not want paladin in party for paladin skills. But that doesnât prevent you from getting other circles to be useful in party.
For example you can go krivis 3 paladin. With some level to aurukas, squire food buff and paladin aura, you can keep melstis on for the full duration.
Paladin does need some buffs, like better attribute to barrier, or less cooldown on skills. But right now you just have to deal with it, or donât pick paladin in the first place.
Frankly, even if barrier is not scrollable, people still wonât pick paladin in parties just for paladin skills, because 1 paladin is not enough. Usually they need 3-5 barrier scrolls per use.
with your logic its ok for hoplite to be useless because they can go dragoon
Actually thatâs not my logic, thatâs yours when we talk about swordman.
And thatâs not my logic in that post either. Unlike you, I donât condemn other classes.
Let formulate the problem: is paladin useless?
Bad side:
Good side:
When we look at those good and bad sides, paladin obviously isnât made for ET, due to the lack of party supporting skills and no AoE.
Note that I do agree paladin needs buffs. But no amount of buffs can help change the above fact. You have to accept that paladin wonât make it to ET whether you can sell barrier scrolls or not. You are not wanted in ET because you are paladin, not because of the scrolls.
So play your paladin like a squire, sell your service and roll another char.
Hoplite isnât useless btw, hoplite 3 -> dragoon 2 is best swordman burst damage right now. Spear throw is also pretty neat right now
ik, it was just an example
on ktos thread i said that the r8 swordsman was good, not that because it was good, otheer swordsman classes should be bad, like you are with inqwuisitor/paladin.
so youre saying not matter how good palain is i wont ever be in ET becuse im paladin, even if paladin can solo Et in a few seconds?
and if barrier scrlls are not even needed the how come evry video issee of Et hasd barrier scrolls and evenb on the swordsman thread they make fun of paladin because they can now tank by using OUR skill.
just nerf the scrolls. (e.g. higher cd, lower uptime, more mana cost, limit number of scrolls that can be carried, banned in ET, etc.)
paladin might not be the flavor of the month right now but that does not make it useless. with a game that has such a small community things might not be so meta or min/maxed as might be perceived. there are obvious advantages and weaknesses to certain classes but you donât have tens of thousands of top tier raiders playing this game. so I donât know how one can accurately judge the skill cap and creativity of this game and its community. just because the game is easier with certain combinations does not necessarily mean that some classes are not at all viable.
some players will reroll whenever they have a disadvantage. others will stick with their character knowing that the game changes from time to time. the game is young. things such as changes to potion cds or long cds on scrolls change the balance of the game as does new content such as new classes or different end game mobs or dungeons.
Nope, R8 swordmen suffers from the same thing as R1-7 swordman: melee, no good CC, no AoE, no gap closer and no good defensive skills. Sure R8 has bigger damage, but addressed none of the issues.
Yep, if you can solo ET in a few seconds, you will do it solo, not party. And at that point, itâs no longer a paladin, itâs something else.
You are asking for a total remake of paladin to make it viable for ET. At this point you should already know that never happen, just like how IMC never changed swordman
Barrier scrolls are used because itâs the easiest thing to do. Without barrier scrolls, people can melstis Ausrine, use druid sterea, or missile hole now we have R8
And what parties need? Ranged AoE damage to go with those. Not paladin, not swordman, not any melee, ever.
You see? Unless your paladin becomes something ⌠not paladin, it will never be viable in ET. Scrolls are just convenience, not the cause.
no, im asking for barrier to be un scrollable
its the easiest thing to do, without barrier scrolls, people will ask for paladinbs because its easiest thigng to do. if barrier scrolls were all gone ne day, people wouldnt just be like âoh wellâ, they would invite paladins, atleast fro the first few weeks.
even without ET in mind, barrier scrlls are still stupid because its a rank 6 c3 skill avaliable to everyone. it taakes a long time to get to rank 6, just for the skill we get to be avaliable to everyone
You know that 1 paladin isnât enough for barriers. And you know that people will not invite more than 1 paladins per party.
Sure for a first few days (not even week I reckon) they will try to fit paladins in. But then people will just adapt without barrier. And then you go back to the slum because besides barrier paladins have nothing else to offer to the party.
you know that barrier has 100% uptime? well it does. you dont need more than 1 pally to have 100% uptime, even barrier level 1 has 100% uptime. you only need 1 paladin for barrier to up at all times. and if u happen to kill monsters to quickly, barrier has a short cooldown
You know why people use 2-3 barriers at the same time? Because those can block mobs in the path. There are floors where you need to use 4-5 barriers at the same time. Tell me how your 1 paladin do that.
1 barrier is just as strong as more than 1. if it isnt, then its likely a bug thats going to be fixed whrn barrier scrolls are gone
Not bug, multiple barriers cover a much bigger area. Thatâs pretty much all of it.
There are floors where you need 5 barriers in a star-shaped circle to protect a torch for example. Most of the time people will use 2 barriers to block mobs inside a tunnel and let range AoE DPS unleash on them. Note that melee chars can still be attacked and die.
isnât resist elements very useful to groups? it provides 12.5%-37.5% mitigation to all magic and some chance to negate elemental damage completely.
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nvm, see post below.